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Riedel on vultures circling ‘Great Comet’
Riedel on vultures circling ‘Great Comet’#225
Posted: 8/6/17 at 11:10pm
VintageSnarker said, partially: "an issue with Comet is that a lot of the cast ends up running around the audience and that could be unsafe for celebrities of a certain level of fame."
But Pierre spent most of his performance in his salon, the stage pit housing the piano and drums. The performers ran around the audience and stage, but when Pierre had his solo, all were at a distance. Wonder if that was planned.
The comments to the July 28 Variety story had an interesting take: "A horrible aspect to this story is in the future Producers may be extremely reluctant to hire a non-famous African-American actor for any role hence they be twitter-branded as racists should it ever be needed to replace him. Had Mandy been replacing a white actor this would be a non-story all the way – except how exciting for the show that he would be joining it."
I guess time will tell.
Riedel on vultures circling ‘Great Comet’#226
Posted: 8/7/17 at 12:43am
Like Hogans said, this show was designed and marketed to fail. It relied on Groban, never properly marketed to younger people, older people were disappointed bc they thought they were getting a Groban concert, it had no real plans for succeeding after he left.
I loved it but I don't see how it could keep going. Groban is why they got to broadway and why they are going to leave (along with a huge marketing failure).
Riedel on vultures circling ‘Great Comet’#227
Posted: 8/7/17 at 4:39am
There are interesting and frustrating aspects of the Onaodowan fiasco that we may learn more about later, but the fundamental problem with Great Comet seems like a simple one that plagues most Broadway musicals: Not enough people are interested in seeing it.
Nobody needs to dump a member of the main cast of Come From Away to keep it running, because it's a word-of-mouth hit even without stars or the only award that matters. Brittain Ashford had been with Great Comet from the beginning, and she got put on vacation because they needed the minor box office boost of Ingrid Michaelson to make up for the loss of Josh Groban.
I don't know if the producers trapped themselves by choosing a very mainstream pop star as the lead of a very unorthodox musical. But it's also far from clear that the show would have lasted as long as it did without Groban in it. (It didn't hurt that Groban did a fine job in the role and seemed to be very well-liked by everyone from the creator to the cast. He's the biggest winner out of all this.) At the same time, Groban wasn't enough of a star, or the show was too offbeat, to make big money while he was around. It was too easy for me to get excellent, discounted tickets a week in advance with him in it.
Bette Midler is a star, and is a household name among the audience that was interested in seeing Hello, Dolly. Groban is not as big of a name, and his fanbase was likely to be disappointed by Great Comet or at least by his relatively small part in it.
The Mandy Patinkin stunt casting just reeked of desperation. Even if there hadn't been a controversy, he was only going to play the role for three weeks, cutting Onaodowan's run short. And then what? How much stunt casting would they be able to pull off? I suppose they could have stunt-casted other roles as some of the original cast left after their contracts expired.
The show has a loyal following, and I would have happily seen in multiple times if I lived in the area. But there weren't enough people who wanted to see it even once. much less pay full price. As a fan, I'm very sorry that the show seems virtually certain to end on a sour note, and that the wonderful cast members will probably lose their jobs early.
I do worry about the lessons that will be taken from this, but I doubt the ugly controversy will end up having a significant impact on future productions. The Kagans took a big swing with an expensive, unusual show, and they missed. Since I liked the show, I wish it would have turned out differently. But it didn't. That's showbiz.
Riedel on vultures circling ‘Great Comet’#228
Posted: 8/7/17 at 8:23am
i'm just really sad about this whole thing. and i reslly wanted to see nick and heath's (the other understudies) pierre. 
Riedel on vultures circling ‘Great Comet’#229
Posted: 8/7/17 at 10:01am
bear88, I think you hit on every aspect of the analysis. The key to it is in the 3rd paragraph: Groban kept the show from drowning, but the fact that he left it after a healthy run with an enornous hill left to climb to recoupment tells us that (as I have repeatedly said, since long before the Oak controversy and even before the Ars Nova controversy) the double whammy here was that the production was designed to fail, and then marketed to give it no chance. I don't know that Groban could ever have matched Midler as a draw, but I do know that they did not even try to give it a shot at that.
Riedel on vultures circling ‘Great Comet’#230
Posted: 8/7/17 at 1:08pm
trpguyy said: "Scott for a week, Dave for a week, and don't hold your breath for much after that."
At least I'll be happy if I end up seeing Scott go on again on the 16th.
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Riedel on vultures circling ‘Great Comet’#231
Posted: 8/7/17 at 1:53pm
I wonder if they could have doenscaled the show a bit? Or if it needs to be this big?
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Riedel on vultures circling ‘Great Comet’#232
Posted: 8/7/17 at 2:17pm
trpguyy said: "CorkySt.Clair said: "^The producers haven't announced ANYTHING yet. We have no idea if it's closing on the 13th, if they'll get understudies and try to make it to Labor Day, or get a new star to continue the run. Still, the fact that there's no official Pierre past the 13th does not look particularly good"
Scott for a week, Dave for a week, and don't hold your breath for much after that. "
Is this based on any real information? I am holding tickets for 3 "Mandy" shows that I haven't had refunded based on wanting to know who will be going on in his place.
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Riedel on vultures circling ‘Great Comet’#233
Posted: 8/7/17 at 2:21pm
^ I wouldn't have written it if it weren't based on "real information."
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Riedel on vultures circling ‘Great Comet’#234
Posted: 8/7/17 at 2:23pm
trpguyy said: "^ I wouldn't have written it if it weren't based on "real information.""
If only everybody on the board had your moral compass! 
That's great in my book, Dave is my favorite Pierre - I just know there is nothing officially announced so I was getting nervous as we get closer to August 13th.
Riedel on vultures circling ‘Great Comet’#235
Posted: 8/7/17 at 3:04pm
But Pierre spent most of his performance in his salon, the stage pit housing the piano and drums. The performers ran around the audience and stage, but when Pierre had his solo, all were at a distance. Wonder if that was planned.
Guessing that's in service to the character, vs. accommodating a star. He's a lonely bookworm who's grown older missing out on life, while his friend is off fighting a war... The show is meant to present him as sad, walled off, and lonely,
Riedel on vultures circling ‘Great Comet’#236
Posted: 8/7/17 at 3:53pm
JayElle said: "VintageSnarker said, partially: "an issue with Comet is that a lot of the cast ends up running around the audience and that could be unsafe for celebrities of a certain level of fame."
But Pierre spent most of his performance in his salon, the stage pit housing the piano and drums. The performers ran around the audience and stage, but when Pierre had his solo, all were at a distance. Wonder if that was planned.
I never said Pierre was the only part they could recast with someone who might sell more tickets.
Riedel on vultures circling ‘Great Comet’#237
Posted: 8/7/17 at 4:37pm
I was told the truth about the entire fiasco this morning.
All I can say right now is there's a big missing piece to this story, one that caused Oak's firing in the first place.
The show is toast. They are simply waiting to announce.
Riedel on vultures circling ‘Great Comet’#238
Posted: 8/7/17 at 4:38pm
bear88 said: "There are interesting and frustrating aspects of the Onaodowan fiasco that we may learn more about later, but the fundamental problem with Great Comet seems like a simple one that plagues most Broadway musicals: Not enough people are interested in seeing it."
Perfectly stated.
Riedel on vultures circling ‘Great Comet’#239
Posted: 8/7/17 at 5:37pm
kr123 said: "Argh, I have tickets for Aug. 18 - should I make other plans? I wish they'd announce - why wait?!"
If you go by trypguy's post, it means you will see Scott. Then Dave will be Pierre the following week... no one seems to be saying the 13th lately.
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Riedel on vultures circling ‘Great Comet’#240
Posted: 8/7/17 at 7:12pm
I'll note again denee didn't do act 2 on the Saturday matinee before the Mandy announcement, It wasn't apparent anyone was sick but in retrospect it seemed off awkwardly from seeing it previously. Nothing obviously wrong. My joke was she had just found out her love interest would be someone who could be her grandfather, but even at that point the whole cast seemed affected
Riedel on vultures circling ‘Great Comet’#241
Posted: 8/7/17 at 7:25pm
HogansHero said: "That's too much, and irresponsible. If you cannot provide a source, even generically, I think you should take it down. (It also seems implausible in light of the fact he is still performing in the show.)"
Hogan, what is too much? What did I say? I said there was a missing piece.
It's not a question of cannot. It's a fact that I will not.
Saying it seems 'implausible' implies you've heard the same tale.
Look, I'm not trying to pick a fight or spread a false rumor. I was told what I was told. I shared that something else was at play. That is all.
I'm sorry you feel it was too much and irresponsible. That was not my intention. If you'd like to continue this conversation over PM, feel free. I'm going to refrain from speaking about the topic again on this thread.
Riedel on vultures circling ‘Great Comet’#242
Posted: 8/7/17 at 7:36pm
Should I be reading Mamet plays?
this board also has so many people that want everyone to know they know something, but won't actually say what it is. If you can't or won't reveal what you know, don't bring it up. It's annoying
Riedel on vultures circling ‘Great Comet’#243
Posted: 8/7/17 at 7:46pm
We could get an announcement tomorrow, but I'm starting to think they'll keep it open with either Scott or Dave in the role and maybe close by Labor Day.
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Riedel on vultures circling ‘Great Comet’#244
Posted: 8/7/17 at 7:56pm
schubox said: "Should I be reading Mamet plays?
this board also has so many people that want everyone to know they know something, but won't actually say what it is. If you can't or won't reveal what you know, don't bring it up. It's annoying
"
^ This. Although I think that the majority of them just want people to think they know something. Which might explain why a lot of them are vague.
Riedel on vultures circling ‘Great Comet’#245
Posted: 8/7/17 at 7:58pm
BroadwayRox3588 said: "I think that the majority of them just want people to think they know something. Which might explain why a lot of them are vague."
Knowing something would still put them in a tiny minority on people posting about the same topic on here.
Riedel on vultures circling ‘Great Comet’#246
Posted: 8/7/17 at 8:07pm
All of the drama (and this new Mamet-flavored development) just makes me so sad. This show has brought me such joy, and I'm still finding little orchestral nuances and blink-and-you-miss-it book references every day. In a perfect world, such a wholly beautiful and inventive show would be able to survive on its own merits, rather than the attachment of a star. Ultimately, I feel like GC (intentionally or not) is for those who already have a background with the characters and plot. I wish wish wish this was able to have the long run that the cast and creative team deserve.
Riedel on vultures circling ‘Great Comet’#247
Posted: 8/7/17 at 8:09pm
10086sunset said: "
Hogan, what is too much? What did I say? I said there was a missing piece.
It's not a question of cannot. It's a fact that I will not.
Saying it seems 'implausible' implies you've heard the same tale.
Look, I'm not trying to pick a fight or spread a false rumor. I was told what I was told. I shared that something else was at play. That is all.
I'm sorry you feel it was too much and irresponsible. That was not my intention. If you'd like to continue this conversation over PM, feel free. I'm going to refrain from speaking about the topic again on this thread.
"
You have done nothing wrong at all with your post. You hinted something is missing from the story from what you've been told, and have not compromised anyone associated with the show. Just enough hints that there's more to the story - and we shall find out in due time. Nothing wrong at all.
Riedel on vultures circling ‘Great Comet’#248
Posted: 8/7/17 at 8:11pm
CorkySt.Clair said: "All of the drama (and this new Mamet-flavored development) just makes me so sad. This show has brought me such joy, and I'm still finding little orchestral nuances and blink-and-you-miss-it book references every day. In a perfect world, such a wholly beautiful and inventive show would be able to survive on its own merits, rather than the attachment of a star. Ultimately, I feel like GC (intentionally or not) is for those who already have a background with the characters and plot. I wish wish wish this was able to have the long run that the cast and creative team deserve.
"
Amen. I've been so sad and afraid this past week, and for the most part I've been able to stay out of the message board chaos until this morning. I love this show, and it's breaking my heart that this is how it ends.
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Riedel on vultures circling ‘Great Comet’#249
Posted: 8/7/17 at 8:18pm
ACL2006 said: "We could get an announcement tomorrow, but I'm starting to think they'll keep it open with either Scott or Dave in the role and maybe close by Labor Day."
Yes, Scott for a week and Dave for a week. Then... ¯\_(?)_/¯
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