Sexism defeats Taymor
Sexism defeats Taymor
whyohwhyoh
Understudy Joined: 12/15/10
#1Sexism defeats Taymor
Posted: 3/10/11 at 10:38pmEnough! Enough! Enough!!! Taymor is being dragged through the streets, ridiculed and berated like a woman during the Salem witch trials. Disgusting. The show is not great but what is the major fault- the #$@$%#@$ excuse for music. Bono and the Edge have produced the worst score in all my years of seeing shows and people who want to be current and cool are excusing it by heaping all the blame on Taymor. AND NOW,Bono is playing the white knight- out to save the show????!!!! Give me a break! Bring in a composer and a lyricist and MAYBE just MAYBE the show has a chance. Poor Taymor has learned that the theatre and certainly rock music is a nasty boy's club and she has been tossed out of the tree-house for the boys to play their games. What is called Taymor's hubris would have been called visionary in a man!! Out with Bono and the Edge- no talent. They make NOISE not music.
#2Sexism defeats Taymor
Posted: 3/10/11 at 10:46pmOr maybe, just maybe, she's a sh*tty director who kept needing MORE money to flush down her toilet while making no changes to her giant heap of trash called Spider-Man?
FindingNamo
Broadway Legend Joined: 7/22/03
#3Sexism defeats Taymor
Posted: 3/10/11 at 10:51pm
"Taymor is being dragged through the streets..."
No. No she is not.
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dramamama611
Broadway Legend Joined: 12/4/07
#4Sexism defeats Taymor
Posted: 3/10/11 at 10:54pmJust because she IS a woman does not mean this is BECAUSE she is a woman.
If we're not having fun, then why are we doing it?
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whyohwhyoh
Understudy Joined: 12/15/10
#5Sexism defeats Taymor
Posted: 3/10/11 at 10:58pmHere we go is right!!! Did we hear anything about the director who spent $30 million on that garbage that was Shrek???? have Bono and the Edge made ANY changes to the score??? No, they were satisfied with a sound system that sounded like a kazoo coming out of a tin can. And I saw this show TWICE!!! Yes, I am a fool folks. But I am ANGRY that the chief culprits, those gonif rock singers with a lot of chutzpah but NO compositional talent are getting a pass. Hell, bring in Elton John, maybe he can save it (and I think he writes garbage)
#6Sexism defeats Taymor
Posted: 3/10/11 at 11:15pm
How about that ****ty first act and the non-existent second act? The story that was written as a Greek drama By Taymor? It doesn't have a story. You have a villain who gave the super hero his powers... WHAT!?
Shrek had changes and opened. Something Spider-Man has been unable to do with 4 months of previews and three delays (SO FAR!).
#7Sexism defeats Taymor
Posted: 3/10/11 at 11:21pmIs that you, Disneyland Magic Man?
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#8Sexism defeats Taymor
Posted: 3/10/11 at 11:26pmWhy, this is almost as sexist as that production of The Importance of Being Earnest next door! You could picket BOTH at the same time- kill two birds with one stone.
"...everyone finally shut up, and the audience could enjoy the beginning of the Anatevka Pogram in peace."
dstalksalot
Swing Joined: 1/11/11
#9Sexism defeats Taymor
Posted: 3/10/11 at 11:26pmHeck yeah, it's all Bono's fault! That 22 time Grammy winning hack! How dare he try to make a better show!
#10Sexism defeats Taymor
Posted: 3/10/11 at 11:29pmHow dare he let Taymor do whatever she wanted!
"...everyone finally shut up, and the audience could enjoy the beginning of the Anatevka Pogram in peace."
#11Sexism defeats Taymor
Posted: 3/10/11 at 11:34pmI was wondering where Bailyboo went!
Those Blocked: SueStorm. N2N Nate. Good riddence to stupid! Rad-Z, shill begone!
whyohwhyoh
Understudy Joined: 12/15/10
#12Sexism defeats Taymor
Posted: 3/10/11 at 11:34pmWhat does this have to do with Earnest??? How are they related. Beacuse he won 22 Grammies means nothing. He can't write theatre music. He can write character songs. He can't wrote complexities. He writes noise that dumb people who don't know from talent think is good. Its for the aging geeks who still want to be thought of as cool. They have NO TALENT in terms of writing for the theatre. You see better at a college variety show!!!!
#13Sexism defeats Taymor
Posted: 3/10/11 at 11:46pmAnd children could probably write or tell better stories.
"I don't want the pretty lights to come and get me."-Homecoming 2005
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#14Sexism defeats Taymor
Posted: 3/10/11 at 11:48pm
He writes noise that dumb people who don't know from talent think is good.
So people who have a different opinion on music and musicians from you are dumb? That's a pretty narrow minded thing to say.
"There’s nothing quite like the power and the passion of Broadway music. "
FindingNamo
Broadway Legend Joined: 7/22/03
#15Sexism defeats Taymor
Posted: 3/11/11 at 12:09am
Turns out it was Bono and The Edge who brought Taymor in to begin with. And perhaps they saw no reason to throw good money (their own) after bad (their own) when they realized how intransigent Julie was about the plot and dialogue.
Perhaps. We'll never know. But we do know she isn't being dragged through the streets.
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sabrelady
Broadway Legend Joined: 5/16/03
#16Sexism defeats Taymor
Posted: 3/11/11 at 12:17am
But we do know she isn't being dragged through the streets.
DANG! Now THAT I'd pay good money for(* *)
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MMM
#17Sexism defeats Taymor
Posted: 3/11/11 at 12:24am
If you revisit the 60 minutes piece you will see Bono being sort of shocked and commenting that they are having previews in a week and they haven't got an ending! Julie just laughs it off.
Bono and the producers both asked Julie for changes, as have done the producers of her many other projects. She always refuses. Her vision and her vision alone is what she sees. If people don't "Get it" it is their problem not hers.
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After Eight
Broadway Legend Joined: 6/5/09
#18Sexism defeats Taymor
Posted: 3/11/11 at 12:27am
Just because the score is terrible doesn't absolve the book from blame. In fact, they're both terrible, and Bono, the Edge, and Taymor all share the blame, and there's plenty of it.
Still, I feel sorry for Taymor. She is a person of talent, but she went awry here, and her own stubborness did the show in.
Yet, one can't help but empathize with a person who spent so much time and effort in a project, only to be let go.
#19Sexism defeats Taymor
Posted: 3/11/11 at 12:35amAlthough I personally think that the score is far from terrible, I actually don't mind it at all, I agree with your other points After Eight. I truly do feel sorry for Taymor. Even though this situation was her making, I can't imagine what it is like to devote so much time and energy to something only to watch it fail. Of course she DID have the option to fix some of the problems and chose not to.
"There’s nothing quite like the power and the passion of Broadway music. "
tourboi
Broadway Legend Joined: 12/15/05
#20Sexism defeats Taymor
Posted: 3/11/11 at 3:47am
Some of the score is quite good (Boy Falls From The Sky, Rise Above), most is adequate, if boring, and some is awful.
Taymor's STORY, book, new characters on the other hand are ALL TERRIBLE.
And what's worse is she REFUSED to make necessary changes or accept any help.
How you can say this is Bono and Edge's fault and Taymor's being wronged is beyond me.
peachesr
Stand-by Joined: 9/30/09
#21Sexism defeats Taymor
Posted: 3/11/11 at 5:23amDirecting is about collaborating, that's the reason you put together a creative team. It seems to me Spider-Man was operating under a dictatorship. It has nothing to do with her being a woman, the show would still have got the crap kicked out of it if a male director had done the same thing. It's about one person having an ego so large they failed to see where their strengths and her weaknesses are and who refused to act for the good of the project and not themselves.
#22Sexism defeats Taymor
Posted: 3/11/11 at 7:31am
From what I've heard of the score, Bono and the Edge don't have a innate knack for writing for the theater. If they'd bothered to regularly attend the previews, maybe they would have gotten a better feel for both how Taymor was doing as a director and how their own contributions could be improved. But they didn't.
The combination of three massive egos and a lot of other people's money led to this mess. Taymor's at fault, but so are Bono and the Edge.
#23Sexism defeats Taymor
Posted: 3/11/11 at 8:16am
Ya think, really?
I sat bored throughout the production. The music was undistinguishable, the plot ponderous. The only drama I looked forward to, when Peter admits who he is to his love interest, was skipped over completely. Nice kids show, Pee Wee was more fun.
There wasn't a single laugh in the entire production! No music, no warmth, no plot...definitely no second viewing for this misguided cheldrens show.
Sexism? call it what you want to, the show was s--t.
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