Emmy Rossum: dubbed?- Page 2

[Ellie3]

Posted: 12/23/04 at 10:16pm

She's working on an album, so we may find out then!

[Jon]

Posted: 12/23/04 at 11:39pm

Emmy Rossum's voice was dubbed by the same person who did Richard Gere's tapdancing in CHICAGO, and who rigged the Oscars so Marisa Tomei would "win" for MY COUSIN VINNIE. The same person who performed the surgery that made little Jamie Lee Curtis into a girl. The same person who pulled the gerbil out of Gere's ass. Updated On: 12/24/04 at 11:39 PM

[Derek]

Posted: 12/24/04 at 12:00am

In the credits it lists each song and who sung them, it says Emmy sings each and every song, including the title one. All I know is when she began singing "The Point of No Return" in the movie, with her and Gerard coming closer and closer to one another, i melted lol

[thespian geek]

Posted: 12/24/04 at 12:10am

I'm almost 100% positive it's Emmy. She sings in the movie "Songcatcher" and on the soundtrack for the movie "Nola" and they're both lower-range songs, and the lower singing in the title song sounds like her.. just in the POTO 'style'.. :)

[Plum]

Posted: 12/24/04 at 12:19am

Thank you, Jon.

[WhatDoINeedWithLove?]

Posted: 12/24/04 at 12:21am

I just listened and I do think it sounds like her, but her voice just sounds stronger than it does in the other songs.

Back a little: I read an article with Joel Schumacher and he said it was essential for the actors to be great singers as well. How does he explain Minnie being dubbed? Intresting to me! I still haven't seen the movie though! Im such a bad theatre fag!

[VeuveClicquot]

Posted: 12/24/04 at 12:22am

Jon, I just fell out my chair laughing at your post. Hee.

[musicalfandukie]

Posted: 12/24/04 at 12:35am

Emmy was not dubbed at all..it so sounds like the same voice in the tittle song and in every song.

[zepka102]

Posted: 12/24/04 at 12:38am

this morning i heard an interview with minnie where she described it something like this:

"i drive a car, but not for nascar"... and she went on to compare it to opera singing.

[magelet21]

Posted: 12/24/04 at 12:44am

Seriously, I've been playing the cd non stop for about a week and half, and there's a slight difference but not enough that I'd say it sounds like a different person. My guess would be that it was the last song recorded since it's the most demanding.

And quite frankly, if they're open enough about Minnie being dubbed, why not admit it if Emmy was too. There wouldn't be any shame in having someone else sing PTO because of the demands. I believe (and perhaps I'm being naive) that if it were someone else, it would've leaked or been shared by now. Someone would be suing for not getting credit or some such nonsense.

Jon...kudos...I snarfed my diet coke...thanks a heap

[Adoannie925]

Posted: 12/24/04 at 1:01am

I think she just has a stronger lower register which is needed for the title song. I noticed a change, but it sounded a lot stronger and more comfortable that her middle/upper range.

[jsg03jd]

Posted: 12/24/04 at 2:22am

I highly doubt that Emmy's singing was dubbed. She's a legit young soprano whose voice is still developing. Performing ALL I ASK OF YOU live on Good Morning America w/ Patrick Wilson, Emmy had no problems singing from A flat below middle C to the A flat two octaves above. So, in terms of her lower register, it's not that much of a stretch for her to sing the lowest note in the title song, which is a G below middle C. And because the opening of the song sits low in Emmy's voice (and indeed all Christines' voices), the timbre will obviously be different from when she is singing in her head tones.

Also, Emmy did have to sing up to a high D sharp/E flat (which is now the highest note in the film version of the title track because of the film's elimination of the third verse and the accompanying modulation that ultimately requires stage Christines to hit a high E natural at the climax of the song). The reverb in the recording (which may have been increased to simulate the echoes that would likely result from singing in the Phantom's underground lair OR if Emmy needed some recording engineering magic to amplify her vocalise) is what probably accounts for the perceived difference in Emmy's vocals in the title track. As for her vibrato, it's consistent with the other tracks in the film. I would even say that Emmy actually loses her vibrato at certain points of the vocalise, but it's still her singing. Just my 2 cents.

[RosaBud]

Posted: 12/24/04 at 10:21am

I had never heard of any dubbing of Emmy Rossum in this film.
But bwaysinger, it's very interesting. When I had listened to audio clips of the movie on the website, and I heard Emmy's voice, I thought it was alright. Sweet, but not very strong. But then when "The Phantom of the Opera" song clip played, I thought it sounded nothing like the voice I had just previously heard. And funny enough, in my mind I likened it to Dale Kristien's. I just went back now after reading your post and listened, and it's so bizarre that it really does sound more and more like Dale Kristien's voice!!!! Could it really be?
In all fairness, because of the lowness of the range in the beginning of that song, it can sound quite different. I know, because I've sung the piece. It's definitely more in the chest voice. But now you've really struck my curiosity....Anyone else know of this or find the similarity to Dale's voice? It all just may be a big coincidence....

[bwaysinger]

Posted: 12/24/04 at 11:04am

THank you, RosaBud. I keep hearing all this stuff tossed about with the song crediting in the album and whatnot. POint is this: when a singer is dubbed for one song, they're not going to mention it. In fact, it's very likely they'll do their best to hide it because they don't want that kind of information out about their star.
I again point you to the Marni Nixon years. She was never credited for all of that singing in My Fair Lady and even West Side Story. IT got out, of course, as these things do, but even so, the knowledge that she dubbed a lot of Anita's singing didn't come out until not long ago.
So these things are easily buried. When the only people who know are studio people in the recording room and Dale Kristien herself, plus it's Phantom, which, I must frankly say, isn't the most anticipated movie of the season, so it's not like people are scrounging around for scoop.
I still maintain she was dubbed.

[Marquise]

Posted: 12/24/04 at 11:15am

you can "maintain" anything you want it doesn't mean that she was..until YOU come up with proof that she was.

"JUST THE FACTS MAN"







Updated On: 12/24/04 at 11:15 AM

[AnothaPartofMe]

Posted: 12/24/04 at 1:07pm

The "Phantom" cast was on the View this morning, and the ladies of 'The View' continually applauded the four cast members (Minnie Driver, Emmy Rossum, Patrick Wilson, Gerard Butler) for singing their own vocals throughout the entire movie. All of them took credit for singing their own vocals... so were they lying on air? they showed a clip of 'Music of the Night', which I found passable. Patrick Wilson was focused on briefly about his Tony-nominated turns in OKLAHOMA! and THE FULL MONTY.

[musicalfandukie]

Posted: 12/24/04 at 1:19pm

well in west side story Rita Moreno (Anita) was only dubbed in one song a boy like that/i have a love cause the notes in the song were to low but she did her own singing in America & Tonight quintet. Marni Nixon however did not dubb rita moreno she dubbed natalie wood and i don't think the studio tried to hide that at all. I still don't think emmy was dubbed tho..lol Updated On: 12/24/04 at 01:19 PM

[bwaysinger]

Posted: 12/24/04 at 1:27pm

umm, that's my point. Marni stepped in and dubbed the Anita track when they felt they needed to. And they kept it strongly under wraps. Rita Moreno maintained for years she did all her own singing. Maybe they didn't even bother telling her Marni had done it.
Again, do you REALLY think the star of a film's going to say, on the View, "I have a confession. They decided my takes on 'Phantom of the Opera' weren't satisfactory so they called in an old, trusted veteran of the stage version to dub my vocals on that track."?
Really?
And Marquise, I don't need any facts beyond the very strong belief that it doesn't sound like her on the title song. What's truly amazing me is how offended everyone seems to be by this assumption.
You'd almost think I suggested that Eden Espinosa dubbed all of Idina's songs on the Wicked album.

[musicalfandukie]

Posted: 12/24/04 at 1:37pm

emmy has a pretty voice but to be honest she doesn't have a strong voice she is still young. if they dubbed her in that number they dubbed her with someone just as weak as her cause the person singing it doesn't sound strong.

I don't think marni dubbed anita only cause it makes no since if anita could not hit the low notes in a boy like that/i have a love..you would think marni would have just as much trouble she is a soprano..and also it seems kinda silly to have marni dueting with herself in that number being she would be doing anita & maria's vocals at the sametime. i don't know who dubbed anita you could be right it could of been marni but that seems weird to me.

Also i think the reason you think emmy sounds so different is cause she is singing in her lower range and her lower range seems stronger than her higher. :) Updated On: 12/24/04 at 01:37 PM

[JohnPopa]

Posted: 12/24/04 at 2:03pm

I don't think people are offended by your assertion, just annoyed that you keep insisting on your theory despite knowing full well you have no grounds or way to prove it beyond your constant insistence that it's what you think.

[bwaysinger]

Posted: 12/24/04 at 2:30pm

Uh, John Popa, I brought it up to see if someone else had heard it and began to get the typical response here, which is a lot of "how dare yous" and "you're wrong." I think it is someone else singing and wouldn't even be bothering to put up my own opinion on it if everyone didn't feel compelled to continue chiming in and saying it's all her. That's not what I intended this thread to be about.
I thought she was dubbed, I asked, I'm still waiting to see if someone has any info to that effect. Also, quite frankly, if it's pissing you off that much, I'm kind of glad.
And, Dukie, Marni herself admits today she's singing Anita's part on the quartet. She is a soprano, but just as people keep saying that Emmy's lower register is stronger, just because she is a soprano doesn't mean she's not capable of some very low singing. A lot of really sopranos can belt their butts off. I point to the current opera star du jour, Renee Fleming. Her diction's way too operatic but she seriously sings the crap out of Broadway belter songs.

[musicalfandukie]

Posted: 12/24/04 at 3:35pm

very true some singers do have a wide singing range.... i didn't mean to sound like i was arguing with you bwaysinger :) Updated On: 12/24/04 at 03:35 PM

[Marquise]

Posted: 12/24/04 at 3:57pm

JohnPopa wrote:

"I don't think people are offended by your assertion, just annoyed that you keep insisting on your theory despite knowing full well you have no grounds or way to prove it beyond your constant insistence that it's what you think."

i couldnt have said this any better myself
that's it in a nutshell

[captain_zahn]

Posted: 12/24/04 at 6:07pm

I'm pretty sure that Betty Wand did Rita Moreno's singing in West Side Story, not Marni Nixon, who dubbed Anita.

[kec]

Posted: 12/24/04 at 8:59pm

I cannot remember where I read or heard this, but I did read/hear in one of the many interviews I've been reading and or watching that Ms. Rossum said she did her own singing. I also seem to recall, again, can't remember where, that her vocals were re-recorded because her voice, which already sounded good at the beginning of filming, had improved and matured so much by the time filming ended.