Hamilton on Disney to be MUTED?- Page 5

[theatretenor2]

Posted: 6/23/20 at 7:23am

theatreguy12 said: "I'd be surprised if they did mute it.

This is no longer Walt's Disney. Far from it. It's about money. It's about the latest flavor of the month. LMM fit right into that as soon as he became such a Broadway phenom. I'm sure Disney has had its eyes on him for a long time now.

Besides, you have kindergartners throwing f bombs around now. You see parents dropping every obscenity known to mankind around, in front of their kids.
 

Why would this be a shock if they let it ride unfiltered?"

Well, Lin actually tweeted that he gave two F***s so kids could watch it, so it is being censored for those two things, but sounds like everything else is intact. 

[jonartdesigns]

Posted: 6/23/20 at 9:22am

So which one got left in? I‘m playing through the show in my head and can’t think of the third f*** said in full. The one in the Reynolds pamphlet trails off before it finishes.

[Jingjo2]

Posted: 6/23/20 at 10:10am

I think the one left in is in Say No to This

"That was my wife you decided to F"

[iabwayfan]

Posted: 6/23/20 at 10:43am

LINK: https://nypost.com/2020/06/23/lin-manuel-miranda-censored-language-for-hamilton-p-13-rating/

[Fosse76]

Posted: 6/23/20 at 1:08pm

LMM really just needs to stop. Disney had no reason to submit this for a rating, so for him to claim it's the MPAA's rules is disingenuous.

While I mostly agree that censoring or muting one or two words is pretty innocuous, it still makes him look bad to some people. It's not like he or the show's producers needed the money; they could have sold the rights to a distributor that would have released the recording uncensored. But none of those distributors were willing to pay $75 million. But I say if you can get it, go for it. But don't justify the censorship with lame excuses.

[Sutton Ross]

Posted: 6/23/20 at 1:47pm

Couldn't agree more. Since he started making 50 million+ a year he's made some really weird moves. Seeing him in Tick Tick Boom! and In The Heights is how I want to remember him the most.

Before he went Hollywood. 

[gypsy101]

Posted: 6/24/20 at 6:09am

jonartdesigns said: "So which one got left in? I‘m playing through the show in my head and can’t think of the third f*** said in full. The one in the Reynolds pamphlet trails off before it finishes. "

none of them got left in, for someone that wrote the show you’d like Lin Manuel would know that there’s only two uses in the show

[bowtie7]

Posted: 6/24/20 at 2:54pm

I find it interesting that the PG rated All The President's Men included more than 10 uses of the “dirty word” and yet the world didn't end in 1976, but then the studio producing/releasing the film went to bat for the movie to make sure it got the PG rating without cuts. Disney is clearly more concerned with making sure that PG13 movies can contain endless violence (since destruction and death are clearly central to nearly all of its non-animated blockbusters) but really has no to reason be concerned with a few words being cut. Hamilton is an unusual case as it is the first major intersection of high art and blockbuster commerce since A Chorus Line (and A Chorus Line was commercially controlled by Michael Bennett and the Public Theatre for its entire initial theatrical life, Hamilton always had money people attached from the beginning).

Updated On: 6/24/20 at 02:54 PM

[BroadwayChica]

Posted: 7/2/20 at 9:05am

Sutton Ross said: "Couldn't agree more. Since he started making 50 million+ a year he's made some really weird moves. Seeing him in Tick Tick Boom! and In The Heights is how I want to remember him the most.

Before he went Hollywood."

 

Y’all know In the Heights was censured during its Broadway run, right? F*CK the bling and Show some ****ing spirit were removed from the show in order to make it more accessible to kids.
Lin did that. 

Before he went Hollywood.

But do go on.

 

[Fosse76]

Posted: 7/2/20 at 2:02pm

BroadwayChica said: "Sutton Ross said: "Couldn't agree more. Since he started making 50 million+ a year he's made some really weird moves. Seeing him in Tick Tick Boom! and In The Heights is how I want to remember him the most.

Before he went Hollywood."

Y’all know In the Heights was censured during its Broadway run, right? F*CK the bling and Show some ****ing spirit were removed from the show in order to make it more accessible to kids.
Lin did that.

Beforehe went Hollywood.

But do go on."

So you're saying he was a sellout before going Hollywood. No surprise. He certainly comes across as an attention-seeker.

[CarlosAlberto]

Posted: 7/2/20 at 11:22pm

Fosse76 said: "BroadwayChica said: "Sutton Ross said: "Couldn't agree more. Since he started making 50 million+ a year he's made some really weird moves. Seeing him in Tick Tick Boom! and In The Heights is how I want to remember him the most.

Before he went Hollywood."

Y’all know In the Heights was censured during its Broadway run, right? F*CK the bling and Show some ****ing spirit were removed from the show in order to make it more accessible to kids.
Lin did that.

Beforehe went Hollywood.

But do go on."

So you're saying he was a sellout before going Hollywood. No surprise. He certainly comes across as an attention-seeker."

How is deciding to change one's own work to make it more accessible to a broader audience considered to be a sell out? At the end of the day it's his work and his property and he can do whatever the hell he sees fit with it. How is changing one or two words altering the overall show? 

Some of you guys seriously need to chill out and get a life. 

So much unnecessary pearl clutching going on in this thread.

 

[Sutton Ross]

Posted: 7/2/20 at 11:35pm

Y’all know In the Heights was censured during its Broadway run, right? F*CK the bling and Show some ****ing spirit were removed from the show in order to make it more accessible to kids.
Lin did that.

Before he went Hollywood.

But do go on.

Um, that has nothing to do with anything that we are talking about here. No one is talking about children or accessibility. I liked him, his personality and his choices before the Hamilton whirlwind. That's all. 

[darreyl102]

Posted: 7/3/20 at 12:46am

Sutton Ross said: "
Y’all know In the Heights was censured during its Broadway run, right? F*CK the bling and Show some ****ing spirit were removed from the show in order to make it more accessible to kids.
Lin did that.

Before he went Hollywood.

But do go on.

Um, that has nothing to do with anything that we are talking about here. No one is talking about children or accessibility. I liked him, his personality and his choices before the Hamilton whirlwind. That's all."

Ummm, yeah it does. People on here saying he was a sell out for the money because of the censorship , but Sutton was pointing out he has censored his work BEFORE he went Hollywood and had people throwing millions his way........

[dramamama611]

Posted: 7/3/20 at 7:05am

Well, I just finished act 1, when Mullugans f bomb get muted. Really, no harm done.

[RUkiddingme]

Posted: 7/3/20 at 12:25pm

re the cursing in 1976 All The President's Men - I'm not a scholar, but i believe it was in 1984 when the PG-13 rating was introduced that the rules started changing.

For a long time, it's been an understood rule with the ratings board that more than one f word will get you an R rating.

There's a lot of PG movies in the 70s and 80s with lots of nudity and cursing that would never be acceptable today.

Also worth noting, most studios require directors to shoot alternate versions of scenes without cursing for the airplane versions.  I believe airplanes can't show R rated movies ever so they get edited version.

 

 

[Broadway61004]

Posted: 7/3/20 at 1:42pm

I really don't know how else to explain this.

Art is a collaboration. The producers, who put up the money, collaborate with the artists and often ask for certain things (perhaps star casting a certain role, keeping it under 3 hours, or yes, taking out some rough language if needed).

The producers asked Lin to cut two words. He looked at the script and said "okay, I'm fine with that--those two words aren't that important to what I've written". And so he cut them.

That's not selling out. That's not censoring your art. That's collaboration.

[dramamama611]

Posted: 7/3/20 at 1:46pm

dramamama611 said: "Well, I just finished act 1, when Mullugans f bomb get muted. Really, no harm done. "

Ouch, the second does not fare as well, a bit jarring. 

[CT2NYC]

Posted: 7/3/20 at 1:58pm

dramamama611 said: "dramamama611 said: "Well, I just finished act 1, when Mullugans f bomb get muted. Really, no harm done. "

Ouch, the second does not fare as well, a bit jarring."

Agreed, The first one was so seamless that it almost seemed like it was an alternate cut, recorded without the f*** to begin with. The second one, not so much.

[schubox]

Posted: 7/3/20 at 4:00pm

dramamama611 said: "dramamama611 said: "Well, I just finished act 1, when Mullugans f bomb get muted. Really, no harm done. "

Ouch, the second does not fare as well, a bit jarring."

My reaction as well. The muting of the first one barely register. Whatever weird record mix up thing they do with the second one makes it stand out. 

[Fosse76]

Posted: 7/3/20 at 6:28pm

CarlosAlberto said: "Fosse76 said: "BroadwayChica said: "Sutton Ross said: "Couldn't agree more. Since he started making 50 million+ a year he's made some really weird moves. Seeing him in Tick Tick Boom! and In The Heights is how I want to remember him the most.

Before he went Hollywood."

Y’all know In the Heights was censured during its Broadway run, right? F*CK the bling and Show some ****ing spirit were removed from the show in order to make it more accessible to kids.
Lin did that.

Beforehe went Hollywood.

But do go on."

So you're saying he was a sellout before going Hollywood. No surprise. He certainly comes across as an attention-seeker."

How is deciding to change one's own work to make it more accessible to a broader audienceconsidered to be a sell out? At the end of the day it's his work and his property and he can do whatever the hell he sees fit with it. How is changing one or two words altering the overall show?

Some of you guys seriously need to chill out and get a life.

So much unnecessary pearl clutching going on in this thread."

No, it likely doesn't change the overall show. And I wasnt really bothered by the language cleanup on Rent Live, and I am a much bigger fan of that show. But come on. This was not censored for network tv. And censoring two words doesn't really make it any more accessible than if they'd been left in. MPAA ratings aren't required for distribution. And they aren't enforceable anyway. But he didn't censor it on stage. Or for the cast recording. He only agreed to censor it when Disney bought the distribution rights. Why? Because $75 million is better than $74 million.

[JGPR2]

Posted: 7/3/20 at 7:00pm

" The producers asked Lin to cut two words. He looked at the script and said "okay, I'm fine with that--those two words aren't that important to what I've written". And so he cut them.

That's not selling out. That's not censoring your art. That's collaboration. "

Actually I think Disney is a joke on this. This show is not one of their animation films that will have a big audience of young children. You mean to tell me the "kids" who would want to watch this have never heard bad words in a hip hop or rap song, really. Put a warning about language before it starts and don't mute it.

[CT2NYC]

Posted: 7/12/20 at 8:18pm

As a strange postscript to this censorship situation, Disney Plus just added an unedited X-Men: Days of Future Past to its lineup, and it features a f*ck, as well as Hugh Jackman's bare butt. I guess it wasn't that big of a deal, after all.

[joevitus]

Posted: 7/12/20 at 8:31pm

They probably don't scour every movie for every possibility of an f-bomb or bare butt. Quite possibly if someone complains they will remove the movie or censor it. As it was obvious from the get-go that Hamilton had a fair amount of adult language, they took a chance to preemptively avoid controversy as a "family" channel airing such language. Makes sense, and nothing worth getting one's undies in a bunch over.

[CT2NYC]

Posted: 7/12/20 at 8:45pm

joevitus said: "They probably don't scour every movie for every possibility of an f-bomb or bare butt. Quite possiblyif someone complains they will remove the movie or censor it. As it was obvious from the get-go that Hamilton had a fair amount ofadult language, they took a chance to preemptivelyavoid controversy as a "family" channel airing suchlanguage. Makes sense, and nothing worth getting one's undies in a bunch over."

For goodness' sake, nothing in my post required a response. It was simply informative, and it is odd because now it's the first movie on there with an audible f*ck, and they had already edited Daryl Hannah's buttocks out of Splash. There's no need to scour anything, since the rating specifically lists nudity and language, and I'm sure the people who work for Disney Plus know they're there already, without having to wait for someone to complain. No one is getting their undies in a bunch, but it is newsworthy, since there are multiple articles about it.

https://variety.com/2020/film/news/hugh-jackman-butt-uncensored-disney-plus-wolverine-1234704253/

[joevitus]

Posted: 7/12/20 at 8:59pm

Right back at ya. Nothing in my post required a response, and my "undies in a bunch" refers to the topic of this thread, not you in particular.