Lea Michele as Fanny - Funny Girl - Page 67

[RippedMan]

Posted: 7/16/23 at 7:15am

I’m just so confused on everyone’s stance. If they put the girl in a giant nose to make her more so look the part We’d all be up in arms but when Bradley Cooper does it it’s okay. I’m very confused. 

[bwayphreak234]

Posted: 7/16/23 at 7:42am

I feel like I'm derailing this thread a bit here, but the title of this thread IS Lea Michele as Fanny - Funny Girl... 

ANYWAYS, I caught Lea in the show yesterday. I had previously seen the show last May with Beanie, last November with Lea, and back in April with Julie. I wanted to go back one more time before closing, though, to see Lea's performance again. I've said it before, and I will say it again... her performance is the stuff of legends. Truly the performance of a lifetime that just demands to be seen. If you haven't seen her yet, do so before September 3. If you have seen her, well, I don't need to tell you her performance warrants a repeat viewing.

[Owen22]

Posted: 7/16/23 at 7:53am

What would the reaction be if Cynthia Erivo or Ashley Park were cast as Fanny Brice?  Obviously, this would be a definitive case of color-blind casting that probably wouldn't get the attention a Hispanic girl's casting would. A lot of people would probably applaud.  Why is that?  A Cuban American is a person of color, isn't she?  Do people think Hispanics have more opportunities? 

[PipingHotPiccolo]

Posted: 7/16/23 at 9:27am

RippedMan said: "I’m just so confused on everyone’s stance. If they put the girl in a giant nose to make her more so look the part We’d all be up in arms but when Bradley Cooper does it it’s okay. I’m very confused."

If the result was the actress looked like Fanny Brice--meaning they were trying to have the character of Fanny on stage look like the real life Franny Brice-- then yes, anyone complaining about how they got there would deserve the same eye roll. They didnt do that with Beanie or Lea or Julie, so yeah, if they now suddenly decided the non-Jew needs a large nose, itd be pretty outrageous.

Similarly if they had Brad Cooper keep his brown hair, and had him presented with a muscled California look, but then shoved a prosthetic nose on him to "make him look like a Jew,' yes we would be in the realm of some low grade Syrian state TV. But they didnt do that, and we all know it, so what is this ridiculous conversation?

Updated On: 7/16/23 at 09:27 AM

[jkcohen626]

Posted: 7/16/23 at 11:24am

Owen22 said: "What would the reaction be if Cynthia Erivo or Ashley Park were cast as Fanny Brice? Obviously, this would be a definitive case of color-blind casting that probably wouldn't get the attention a Hispanic girl's casting would. A lot of people would probably applaud. Why is that? A Cuban American is a person of color, isn't she? Do people think Hispanics have more opportunities?"

If Cynthia Erivo or Ashley Park was cast we wouldn't have people in here hiding behind weak arguments like "oh, but what if she could possibly perhaps maybe be Jewish" or "she's just taking a huge opportunity for her career." We know they aren't Jewish and we know they wouldn't need it for the health of their careers and we could just continue to call out the casting for the BS it is. 

If you think this has to do with Katerina being Cuban-American and not simply with her NOT being Jewish or that people wouldn't have the same passion about this if the actress was another minority, you would be sorely mistaken. This isn't about the race of the actress, it's about whether or not she's Jewish. To give alternatives for your example, if Arielle Jacobs or Tatiana Weschler (who was an understudy in Mr. Saturday Night) has been cast, nobody would be fussing. In fact, you'd probably get pieces written in the Jewish press about how exciting it was that a Jew of Color was being given the opportunity to take on an iconic Jewish role. 

[NoItAll]

Posted: 7/16/23 at 11:27am

Owen22 said: "What would the reaction be if Cynthia Erivo or Ashley Park were cast as Fanny Brice? Obviously, this would be a definitive case of color-blind casting that probably wouldn't get the attention a Hispanic girl's casting would. A lot of people would probably applaud. Why is that? A Cuban American is a person of color, isn't she? Do people think Hispanics have more opportunities?"

Ah, yet another modern Benjamin Franklin, who once wrote.

”And in Europe, the Spaniards, Italians, French, Russians and Swedes, are generally of what we call a swarthy Complexion; as are the Germans also, the Saxons only excepted, who with the English, make the principal Body of White People on the Face of the Earth.”

Descendants of non-intermarried Spanish colonials are no more people of color than are modern day Spaniards. Unless, of course, one considers old Ben’s views to still be applicable. Language is not color. Country of residence is not color. Religion is not color. The conceit of delusional liberals that all they have to do is label as many people as possible as people of color, and that all people so labeled are natural allies of each other and of those doing the labeling, is what helped elect Trump and could elect him or someone even worse in the future. And in the meantime, it would be highly educational for some to check out the politics of Cuban-Americans and voting trends among other beloved designated victims.

 

Updated On: 7/16/23 at 11:27 AM

[CindersGolightly]

Posted: 7/16/23 at 12:48pm

Owen22 said: "What would the reaction be if Cynthia Erivo or Ashley Park were cast as Fanny Brice? Obviously, this would be a definitive case of color-blind casting that probably wouldn't get the attention a Hispanic girl's casting would. A lot of people would probably applaud. Why is that? A Cuban American is a person of color, isn't she? Do people think Hispanics have more opportunities?"

There are Black Jews. There are Korean Jews. There are Cuban Jews. I would have been so over the moon for a Black Fanny Brice, so long as whoever they cast was JEWISH.

Speaking of, there was so much backlash at Ashley Park playing Chinese in Emily In Paris that they made her character half-Korean in the second season to try to remedy their mistake. This isn't just a Fanny Brice issue. You're being purposefully obtuse.

[Owen22]

Posted: 7/16/23 at 2:12pm

CindersGolightly said: "Owen22 said: "What would the reaction be if Cynthia Erivo or Ashley Park were cast as Fanny Brice? Obviously, this would be a definitive case of color-blind casting that probably wouldn't get the attention a Hispanic girl's casting would. A lot of people would probably applaud. Why is that? A Cuban American is a person of color, isn't she? Do people think Hispanics have more opportunities?"

There are Black Jews. There are Korean Jews. There are Cuban Jews. I would have been so over the moon for a Black Fanny Brice, so long as whoever they cast was JEWISH.

Speaking of, there was so much backlash at Ashley Park playing Chinese in Emily In Paris that they made her character half-Korean in the second season to try to remedy their mistake. This isn't just a Fanny Brice issue.You're being purposefully obtuse."

No...YOU'RE being purposefully obtuse.  There are subtleties, misunderstandings, different meanings and complexities of non-traditional casting anyway.  Of color-blind casting.  This crosses into an area that really hasn't been explored and it felt wrong that in this long, long forum discussion that my point had not risen. I'm not being obtuse but perhaps naive that I am somewhat confused on where traditional colorblind casting ends, and/or descends into...I don't know..."insult" casting...

[JasonC3]

Posted: 7/16/23 at 2:29pm

Could the mods move all the recent posts that have nothing to do with the thread title into an appropriately named new thread where that discussion can continue separately?

[bear88]

Posted: 7/16/23 at 3:12pm

Threads get hijacked periodically, but it’s now gone on for days with a lot of posts that basically have nothing to do with the ostensible topic of this thread.

There are times when there are too many threads on a single topic, but things have gone in the opposite direction now. Anyone curious about the current state of the Funny Girl revival, or Lea Michele’s performance, or the recent price declines for most seats during the last few weeks, isn’t going to bother with this thread anymore.

I agree with JasonC3 and bwayphreak234 on this. The tour casting controversy needs its own thread. bwayphreak234 shouldn’t feel like she’s derailing the thread to chime in with a post about the actual revival.

[Sutton Ross]

Posted: 7/16/23 at 3:21pm

Then create a new thread. It's not up to the mods to create a whole new thread and "move" pages of discussion to its own thing. And asking them that without even saying please? Gross and never going to happen. 

 

[bear88]

Posted: 7/16/23 at 3:52pm

Sutton Ross said: "Then create a new thread. It's not up to the mods to create a whole new thread and "move" pages of discussion to its own thing. And asking them that without even saying please? Gross and never going to happen.

Sutton, you have clowned yourself enough on this thread, with your insistence in May and June that prices for the Funny Girl revival would never go down, and would in fact soar hundreds of dollars. In the real world, ticket prices have plummeted 23 to 40% since your pronouncements. You called me a ‘fool’ for questioning whether prices would stay that high. I can deal with you being an inaccurate predictor of demand but not the incessant rudeness, directed at anyone who disagrees with you.

So you can shut up. You’re not the Broadway expert you claim to be, and you don’t run this message board.

[Sutton Ross]

Posted: 7/16/23 at 4:07pm

Lolz, I never said anything of the sort and you don't have to listen to my predictions in any capacity. You're the insufferable person who asks non stop, annoying questions about seats and if you should chose Crappy Seat A or B. Oh, and you never say thank you, making you the worst type of person. Like Bill Hader in Barry season 4. Yuck. 

Mods don't just run the message board, they do everything else on this very detailed website. To rudely ask them to move pages of discussion is ridiculous, dumb, time consuming and a waste of everyone's time. 

So you can shut up

Nah, I will continue living my life like always but good luck trying to control anonymous posters on the........internet

Updated On: 7/16/23 at 04:07 PM

[bear88]

Posted: 7/16/23 at 4:29pm

Sutton Ross said: "Lolz, I never said anything of the sort and you don't have to listen to my predictions in any capacity. You're the insufferable person who asks non stop, annoying questions about seats and if you should chose Crappy Seat A or B. Oh, and you never say thank you, making you the worst type of person. Like Bill Hader in Barry season 4. Yuck.

Mods don't just run the message board, they do everything else on this very detailed website. To rudely ask them to move pages of discussion is ridiculous, dumb, time consuming and a waste of everyone's time."

Do you really want me to pull up the receipts of your wrongheaded advice and repeated rudeness? And it’s a good thing I ignored you. I saved a lot of money as a result.

I haven’t taken a position about whether moderators do anything, and I generally prefer that they stay out of things. I do believe that the people who want  to continue debating the Funny Girl tour’s casting choice should create a separate thread to continue the discussion. It’s not up to me, though. It’s just a suggestion.

[bear88]

Posted: 7/16/23 at 4:53pm

Sutton Ross said: "Lolz, I never said anything of the sort and you don't have to listen to my predictions in any capacity. You're the insufferable person who asks non stop, annoying questions about seats and if you should chose Crappy Seat A or B. Oh, and you never say thank you, making you the worst type of person. Like Bill Hader in Barry season 4. Yuck.

Why lie about me? I’m not going to bother dredging up the many times I have thanked people for their suggestions and patience. including on this very thread and on the Lunt-Fontanne seating thread earlier this year concerning the Sweeney Todd revival. The vast majority of people on this board are very helpful and I appreciate the advice of everyone who shares their knowledge of Broadway theaters I have never visited or shows with unusual setups or tickets that are good - or bad - values.

I apologize to anyone who is annoyed by my queries on this thread. But it seems like many people enjoy sharing their own knowledge and experiences of Broadway shows, just as I like telling people who ask about shows or theaters in my neck of the woods. No one is forcing you to respond, Sutton. 

There's also something telling about your characterization of the questions of me and many other posters as: "if you should chose Crappy Seat A or B." Not everyone either can or is willing to pay $522 for premium orchestra seats to the Sweeney Todd revival or $519 seats to the upcoming Merrily We Roll Along revival, just to choose the current prices of two other revivals at random. They're looking to spend less, for cheaper "crappy" seats that are still good enough so they can enjoy the show. They might even ask questions on a Broadway message board about how good those seats are. But in your view, apparently, everyone who does this is just irritating, unworthy of  anything but a sneering, condescending response that - it turns out - was laughably wrong about the possibility that prices might drop for the last week of Funny Girl even in the face of evidence at the time that it was a very real possibility.

If you're going to be such a rude elitist, Sutton, you'd better be right. And you took me far too seriously. You'll continue to post away, and I have no interest in "controlling" anything you do. You're just pretty safe to ignore, as nasty but ignorant people usually are.

To everyone else, I thank you again for all of your help.
 

Updated On: 7/16/23 at 04:53 PM

[n2nbaby]

Posted: 7/16/23 at 4:55pm

I can’t wait for Funny Girl to close. It truly brings out the very worst of BroadwayWorld, and my lord is that saying something.

[Highland Guy]

Posted: 7/16/23 at 5:12pm

My question may have been asked and answered among these 67 pages, but.....

Do we know if "Funny Girl" on stage starring Lea Michele has been or will be filmed to be shown in theaters or on TV?  Hoping that Lea will perform in the Los Angeles segment when "Fanny Girl" tours, but we shall see.

Updated On: 7/16/23 at 05:12 PM

[Kad]

Posted: 7/16/23 at 5:16pm

Highland Guy said: "My question may have been asked and answered among these 67 pages, but.....

Do we know if "Funny Girl" on stage starring Lea Michele has been or will be filmed to be shown in theaters or on TV? Hoping that Lea will perform in the Los Angeles segement when "Fanny Girl" tours, but we shall see."

If it hasn’t been filmed yet, it can’t be until the SAG strike is over. 
 

Edit: filmed *for commercial or broadcast purposes. Archival filming isn’t covered by SAG.

Updated On: 7/16/23 at 05:16 PM

[Highland Guy]

Posted: 7/16/23 at 5:19pm

Kad said: "Highland Guy said: "My question may have been asked and answered among these 67 pages, but.....

Do we know if "Funny Girl" on stage starring Lea Michele has been or will be filmed to be shown in theaters or on TV? Hoping that Lea will perform in the Los Angeles segement when "Fanny Girl" tours, but we shall see."

If it hasn’t been filmed yet, it can’t be until the SAG strike is over.


Edit: filmed *for commercial or broadcast purposes. Archival filming isn’t covered by SAG."

 

Thank you.

[Jordan Catalano]

Posted: 7/16/23 at 5:35pm

The final performance on 9/3 has never been on sale and I’ve always wondered if that was reserved for filming. 

[Highland Guy]

Posted: 7/16/23 at 5:38pm

Jordan Catalano said: "The final performance on 9/3 has never been on sale and I’ve always wondered if that was reserved for filming."

Interesting.  Thanks.

[Penna2]

Posted: 7/16/23 at 5:47pm

Jordan Catalano said: "The final performance on 9/3 has never been on sale and I’ve always wondered if that was reserved for filming."

I seem to recall an interview where Lea was asked about filming. She said she would be happy to finish the show on a Sunday and film all night. Ramin will be returning on Tuesday and Tovah was back on Saturday, I believe, so the principal cast will be intact again. They might be doing something between now and then. Fingers crossed.

[PabloJuan]

Posted: 7/16/23 at 7:06pm

I do not believe that they could do a proshot of a Broadway show like Funny Girl during the SAG AFTRA strike. The proshot would involve a SAG AFTRA contract that would likely be connected with one of the expired actor contracts for a movie theater or streaming service. 

[PabloJuan]

Posted: 7/16/23 at 7:12pm

The final show is not likely being reserved for a proshot. Some other Broadway shows have reserved the final performance for special invited guests and celebrities.

[bear88]

Posted: 7/16/23 at 8:25pm

n2nbaby said: "I can’t wait for Funny Girl to close. It truly brings out the very worst of BroadwayWorld, and my lord is that saying something."

Touche. This thread hasn't brought out the best in me either. But it can't close before my wife and I get a chance to see it, and we do have tickets. Hopefully, the second time's a charm.