Nederlander Oragnization Called Out- Page 2

[barcelona20]

Posted: 6/8/20 at 12:33am

Not everyone is going to have the same political views. It seems unrealistic to me to expect everyone to agree on everything.  I may not agree with my boss politically, but does that mean I should quit my job? If any artist doesn't want to work for someone with opposing views, I have no problem with that, it's a free country.

[uncageg]

Posted: 6/8/20 at 12:38am

Jordan Catalano said: "Ok so a few things. This information is four years old and like a celebrity death that pops up again, it’s being shared as if it’s brand new information and it’s not. In 2016 this was discussed and known.

Secondly, the donations were made by James M. Nederlander who died shortly after these donations were made in 2016. Since then, nearly 97% of all Political donations from the Nederlanders have gone to Democrats."

Yup.  I was puzzled by this. She/they seemed to ignore the dates and contributors. This keeps popping up on my facebook feed.

 

[JBroadway]

Posted: 6/8/20 at 1:06am

itsjustmejonhotmailcom said: "There are producers and co-producers who make a lot more moneyoff of shows whosupport Trump."

 

Like who? I'd genuinely like to know. 

 

[itsjustmejonhotmailcom]

Posted: 6/8/20 at 2:30am

I don't want to name names of Trump-loving co-producers here because in general they aren't public figures in the way that Jimm is. But I'll PM you

[jdrye222]

Posted: 6/8/20 at 5:00am

Updated On: 6/8/20 at 05:00 AM

[Wick3]

Posted: 6/8/20 at 5:55am

I’d separate father and son since they’re not the same person. Jordan is the president of Jujamcyn and thus his salary partly comes from our paid tickets to his theaters.
If you look at his donations at FEC website, they’re all to Democrats and he donates a lot of money!

My understanding is Jordan’s father’s salary comes from real estate so none of our paid tickets to Jujamcyn go towards his salary. We live in the US and he is free to do what he chooses to do in this country.

I also agree Broadway won’t survive if only Democrats watch them. It should be open to all who can afford it!

[Philly Theater Girl]

Posted: 6/8/20 at 8:23am

lsteven said: "Interesting that Karen Olivo is working at the Hirschfeld Theatre which is owned by the Roth family who co-own several buildings with Trump, supported his presidential campaign, attended his victory party and inauguration, and Steven Roth served on Trump's Economic Advisory Council."

I was thinking the same thing. I don't know enough about how the Roth organization makes their money or who they donate to comment on that. While I applaud Karen and others for taking a strong stance, where do you draw the line in determining who you decide to offer your services to when you're asking to see the 'receipts'? 

Also, does Karen have the kind of clout in the industry that people will care if she is in their show or not? I think she is talented but I never got the impression she was highly sought after. Not trying to stir up anything by asking this question, I'm genuinely curious.

Last comment, for every performer like Karen who won't perform in a show, I'm sure there are many others who will take their place. Performers trying to break through don't have the luxury of declining opportunities when they are presented to them.

[Islander_fan]

Posted: 6/8/20 at 9:26am

Add me to the list of those who find the timing off. If this was posted in time for the 2016 election that may be one thing. But these were donations to right wing people, made four years ago, by a man who had since died. His son has donated to a slew of Democrat this time around.

To me,’the message makes sense. However, now I can’t wrap my head around it at this time.

[trpguyy]

Posted: 6/8/20 at 9:51am

It was discussed in 2016 - right here, in fact.
https://forum.broadwayworld.com/readmessage.php?thread=1097525&page=1

[Broadway Joe]

Posted: 6/8/20 at 10:26am

Another real truth is while some of these actors and other people might decide to not work in a Nederlander theatre going forward there will always be someone else more than willing to work there, especially in a cutthroat business like entertainment.

[Broadway61004]

Posted: 6/8/20 at 10:42am

So is she going to look into every theatre owner who donated to the Republican party and not work for them?  Because that means she won't be doing any national tours (as I'd wager at least half of the touring houses are owned by someone who supports the Republican party), any Nederlander house, and several other NY and regional theatres.  I'm all for sticking up for your morals, don't get me wrong, but are people really just now suddenly realizing that many of these millionaire theatre owners are on the more conservative side?  It's always been that way and Eden Espinosa or Karen Olivo suddenly declaring they won't work for any of them isn't going to change anything.

[Islander_fan]

Posted: 6/8/20 at 10:44am

I agree. Furthermore, if an actor gets cast in a role, there's a good chance that the actor won't know what theatre their show will be in yet. While I understand what these actors are trying to say/do (despite the fact that they are four years late to the party.) However, say they try out for three different musicals, all vying for different Nederlander theatre.There are nine Nederlander houses on Broadway all good spots for musicals.  If you're an actor and need the work, I think that by not going to work in a show because it's at a Nederlander house may be cutting off your nose despite your face. 

Besides, don't the cast members get paid by the producers/production? If that's the case, then they aren't getting any money from Nederlander personally. And, as it has been mentioned, if they don't want to do the show because of that there are plenty of other talented performers waiting in line that will be glad to take it. 

I sub for both Nederlander and Shubert. When I get a check from working at a Nederlander house, you know what the name on the check says? Nederlander Production Company. I need the work and regardless of how I feel about the situation, I am not in a position to turn it down either. 

[Luminaire2]

Posted: 6/8/20 at 11:08am

So, since I created this thread it’s turned into more of a campaign. Both Karen and Eden have created videos and shared documents about #showmereceipts

Karen has been informed that the Nederlander Organization has shifted since 2016. But the campaign is the same, want me as an actor (any producer or theatre owner)? Show me the receipts. Eden seems to be on the same page.

https://twitter.com/karenolivo/status/1270001216408498176?s=21


https://twitter.com/edenespinosa/status/1269862891324407809?s=21

https://twitter.com/edenespinosa/status/1269879792700133377?s=21

 

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[Broadway Joe]

Posted: 6/8/20 at 11:22am

Eden saying she won't work for a Nederlander theatre when she hasn't even been on Broadway since 2008 is laughable. People aren't knocking her door down to get her to be in their shows.

Updated On: 6/8/20 at 11:22 AM

[Tag]

Posted: 6/8/20 at 11:44am

Broadway Joe said: "Eden saying she won't work for a Nederlander theatre when she hasn't even been on Broadway since 2008 is laughable. People aren't knocking her door down to get her to be in their shows."

Oh this made me laugh, how true.

It appears that Karen and Eden jumped on the bandwagon, as many people do these days, without knowing the facts.

[CT2NYC]

Posted: 6/8/20 at 12:02pm

Broadway Joe said: "Eden saying she won't work for a Nederlander theatre when she hasn't even been on Broadway since 2008 is laughable. People aren't knocking her door down to get her to be in their shows."

It's not laughable at all. She performed at the Nederlander Theatre in Chicago last summer with the Falsettos tour. They own venues all over the country.

[CarlosAlberto]

Posted: 6/8/20 at 1:43pm

Whether the donations were made in 2016, last year or within the last 20 minutes is irrelevant. The fact of the matter is they were made. PERIOD and I'm willing to wager that the ones minimizing that fact are the very ones that will run to their nearest Chick-Fil-A and scarf down a chicken sandwich meal. 

 

[Tag]

Posted: 6/8/20 at 1:47pm

I'd wager that 50% or more of the audience would do just that...

[RippedMan]

Posted: 6/8/20 at 1:56pm

Honestly Chik-Fil-A hires a lot of gay people and POC. And those sandwiches are delicious. Politics aside.

[fashionguru_23]

Posted: 6/8/20 at 1:57pm

I find it interesting the witch hunt (no pun intended) on the part of people right now. I can guarantee everyone has done something that someone else views as wrong. 

Why can't we speak about Nederlander, and what he accomplished, but also in the same breath point out the bad? To quote Sondheim "Is it alway 'or'? Is it never 'and'?"

[darquegk]

Posted: 6/8/20 at 2:59pm

I don’t think there’s a single organization beyond maybe individual regional theatres that can say it’s ideologically pure in this case. I’m sure the other theatre syndicates have either directly or indirectly funded the same things, if not as recently and publicly.

Is there going to be a sea change in terms of accountability for donations? Or is this one going to blow over just like the musical theatre MeToo reckoning?

[Tag]

Posted: 6/8/20 at 3:13pm

Is there going to be a sea change in terms of accountability for donations? Or is this one going to blow over just like the musical theatre MeToo reckoning?"

It's like 20 people yelling on Twitter.  It will blow over.  The white mid-east audiences don't care.

[Islander_fan]

Posted: 6/8/20 at 3:39pm

CarlosAlberto said: "Whether the donations were made in 2016, last year or within the last 20 minutes is irrelevant. The fact of the matter is they were made. PERIOD and I'm willing to wager that the ones minimizing that fact are the very ones that will run to their nearest Chick-Fil-A and scarf down a chicken sandwich meal.​​​​​​

I get what you’re saying. And, as a White guy, I have felt that over the years, that white producers would hire a POC every now and then, as their way to show that they aren’t close minded when it comes to castinFor example, when they cast Norm Lewis in Phantom, they made a big deal out of him being the first black actor to play the role on Broadway. To me it came off as more self congratulatory then anything else. They never focused on his talents as a singer and actor or anything in that vein.I loved him as the Phantom. But, I digress. They just fixated on him being black.

 

And, regarding the donations. It was a bad thing that James Nederlander did. But the timing does matter at least in my opinion. James Nederlander is dead. It may be one thing If he kept doing it and became outspoken about it etc. And, while it’s great and all that his son gave donations to folks running for various political offices that are Democrats is great. But given the facts at hand what James did doesn’t hold weight now.

 

By the way, in case you think of me as someone who gorges down chick fill a etc, I have not nor will I go there. I can’t stomach supporting them


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[Tag]

Posted: 6/8/20 at 3:53pm

I get what you’re saying. And, as a White guy, I have felt that over the years, that white producers would hire a POC every now and then, as their way to show that they aren’t close minded when it comes to castinFor example, when they cast Norm Lewis in Phantom, they made a big deal out of him being the first black actor to play the role on Broadway. To me it came off as more self congratulatory then anything else. They never focused on his talents as a singer and actor or anything in that vein.I loved him as the Phantom. But, I digress. They just fixated on him being black.

Was it Cam Macintosh & Really Useful hyping this, or the media, including sites like this?

[HogansHero]

Posted: 6/8/20 at 4:23pm

Tag said: "The white mid-east audiences don't care."

While I have disagreed with just about everything you have said in this thread, and find a good part of it questionable in its intention, this is a sentence I can agree with. Neither Bibi nor Abu Mazen, not even MBS, care about this in the least.