RENT movie garners exactly zero Golden Globe nods!- Page 6

[EvelynNesbit1906]

Posted: 12/13/05 at 4:28pm

ljay, what makes you think Sweeney Todd will be considered a masterpiece on film?

Emphasis on "considered." Not saying you won't love it... but my favorite film of the year got one of the worst critical beatings I could imagine!

[twotrey]

Posted: 12/13/05 at 4:31pm

>>>I just don't get the joy in ripping apart any fim and focusing on only flaws. I'm an optimist that way. <<<

Yet you take obvious joy in calling Lost in Translation a sleeping pill and all that...

[smartpenguin78]

Posted: 12/13/05 at 4:33pm

ljay was saying SWEENEY is the masterpiece, not the unmade film.

[EvelynNesbit1906]

Posted: 12/13/05 at 4:34pm

Right, my point is that the film Sweeney Todd may very well end up being another source of anxiety over the impending death of the movie musical!

[TangoSchadenfreude]

Posted: 12/13/05 at 4:37pm

I just want to put in my two cents.

I'm not a Rent head. I had never seen the show/heard any of the music before I saw this movie. I wasn't even sure if I would like it or not--I was totally unbiased when I sat down in the movie theater. How could I have possibly talked myself into liking something that I knew hardly anything about? I wasn't some delusional long-time fan of the Broadway show, determined to love every minute of the movie. But I STILL loved every minute of it anyway. I thought it was one of the best movies I had seen in a long time. I am truly shocked the film is doing so poorly.

If you didn't like the movie, that's okay. Excuse the cliche, but--different strokes for different folks. But I have to agree with what everyone else has been saying--be respectful about it. And, of course--that goes for all those who liked it as well. Don't be hostile towards anyone who disliked it. Not that you would...I'm just saying.

[smartpenguin78]

Posted: 12/13/05 at 4:37pm

Ljay was saying the stage/score SWEENEY was a masterpiece, that is overdue for a film, that has nothing to do with how the film will be received.
It is like before 2001 THE LORD OF THE RINGS was a masterpiece of literature that needed to be adapted, the quality of the films does not effect that.

[EvelynNesbit1906]

Posted: 12/13/05 at 4:40pm

I know what ljay is saying. My point (or the point I've been trying to make) is that it may be a little shortsighted to be angry over how Rent's reception might effect whether Sweeney Todd gets adapted into a film and how well it does, because Sweeney Todd may end up doing itself in!

Make sense?

[orangeskittles]

Posted: 12/13/05 at 4:41pm

"Perhaps if you had been less dismissive of the naysayers on this board"

Excuse me? I know, Anthony can defend himself, but considering he spent more time debating and discussing the movie with these naysayers than the actual fans, he was anything but dismissive. Maybe you're the one in need of a dictionary, not him.

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[smartpenguin78]

Posted: 12/13/05 at 4:43pm

It makes sense, as an arguement. Although it doesn't seem to really fit.

SWEENEY TODD may be terrible or may be great, we will only know if it gets made.

The failure of the RENT movie may have an effect on whether it gets made at all, if it doesn't get made it has no chance to be great at all.

[luvtheEmcee]

Posted: 12/13/05 at 4:44pm

Yeah, but even his attempts to debate and have constructive conversation were misinterpreted as attempts to belittle and change minds. What do you expect people who hated the movie to say about him?

I really don't want to get into *that* argument again.

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[xoxRogue]

Posted: 12/13/05 at 4:44pm

I'm sorry that RENT hasn't been more successful, but I'm more sorry that it was not a better made movie.

You can't just say that it was not a better made movie. Yes, this is your opinion, but the way you are trying to convey it is that it is fact.

In the "Arts", there is not cut-out shape of what a good movie/piece of art/song/anything is. I believe that it's impossible to have guidlines to what a good or bad thing is. You may find a majority of people that agree with you, but that still doesn't constitute it as fact (This is true about what anyone says about it--or any other movie.). It is opinion, just the same as what I or anyone else says about the film.

(This post turned out not to be directed at you in particular. It sort of evolved.)

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[shameless]

Posted: 12/13/05 at 4:45pm

On a personal note, orangeskittles, of everything I've said in this thread, you pick the "one day" post to quote me on?

[smartpenguin78]

Posted: 12/13/05 at 4:47pm

Blast, I thought this thread had been JACKED into a SWEENEY movie thread.

[EvelynNesbit1906]

Posted: 12/13/05 at 4:47pm

I like that we've had this sub-discussion about Sweeney Todd without ljay in it. (love ya ljay, love Chicago!)

[EvelynNesbit1906]

Posted: 12/13/05 at 4:48pm

"Blast, I thought this thread had been JACKED into a SWEENEY movie thread."

You thought right.

[shameless]

Posted: 12/13/05 at 4:49pm

Sorry, well, at least my post was more about me than the film.

[ljay889]

Posted: 12/13/05 at 4:49pm

Haha! I just saw all the SWEENEY posts. I definitely agree we wont know until it's actually done if the movie will be considered a masterpiece like the stage show. But the material is VERY strong, it would take a lot to ruin it on a film.

[smartpenguin78]

Posted: 12/13/05 at 4:49pm

That was funny, and I want to state I did not mean to "speak for ljay" I just had a different impression of ljay's post.

[Hanna from Hamburg]

Posted: 12/13/05 at 5:04pm

I'm really skeptical about Sweeney as a film. At least the Rent material is more accessible to the general public than Sweeney. That doesn't make the source material for Sweeney better or worse than Rent, just less accessible. That being said, there's LESS of a chance that the general public will enjoy Sweeney, because the structure is very operatic in nature and the libretto is much more complex. That in itself is one huge thing to get past in making Sweeney a success on film. In addition, the fact that Sweeney is sung-thru makes it an even harder "sell" on film. It's easier to accept people singing the plot to each other on stage than it is on film. Finally, if the vision for the adaptation isn't a masterpiece, then it's going to be difficult for the film to be successful. I'm not saying that it WON'T be successful or SHOULDN'T be adapted. I'm just saying it's a much bigger task.

[wickedrentq]

Posted: 12/13/05 at 5:07pm

Many of you on both sides have shown that there is a lot of biasness all about...sure there are fans who may choose to overlook the flaws b/c they love the story so much and there are probably critics or other viewers who never liked the show in the first place and allowed that to influence their judgment. I think a rare viewer is truly objective--so I think when most of admit to that somehow we can begin to get along better.

Second, I'm really beginning to despise when a dislike/hatred of a show or film's fans results in dimissing of the show, film, actor, etc. Those of you who disliked it gave valid reasons for that but still admitted part of your happiness at the no nominations for the film has come from the other fans who in some way have bothered you, encouraging you to gleefully post about the lack of nominations. This has happened w/ Wicked as well. It seems that someone's dislike of a media can grow immensely when other fans rave about it and such and even if that is human nature, it still upsets me. They become more determined to prove the lovers wrong and sometimes I think unconsciously it encourages their dislike for the whole project.

Furthermore, I certainly have not read all of the threads so there may be quite a few of posts and if so I apologize, but most of the posts I have read about those who enjoyed the movie did admit flaws--none of them(well...most of them didn't) claimed it was the best thing ever but explained that it still touched them and was enjoyable. To dismiss those who cried during a film is ridiculous--you honestly have never cried ot been touched by something that you're like umm why the hell am I crying? It happens.

And Em is right, it is indeed hypocritical to support the film enough to buy tickets for it even though you didn't like it or watch it, but then to celebrate its lack of awards.

Finally, as much as it's necessary to hear from those who love a show/film some flaws they acknowledge, it would also be nice for those who say such negative things about it allow some aspect they enjoyed. Just like nothing is perfect, I don't think there's anything that doesn't have one redeeming quality to it. I think Phantom last year felt victim to this kind of thinking. I will admit the movie was quite flawed, but I absolutely love it. I personally think it was robbed of the oscar for cinematography and art direction and at least a nomination for costuming--I can't imagine the distate for the film itself didn't influence decisions to not acknowledge good aspects of it.

I was surprised by the lack of nominations, if only because I thought there are only certain films in the musical/comedy category that are esteemed enough to get a nomination, which I thought might ensure Rent's nomination. I very well could have underestimated the comedies of this year, as P&P is the only one I've seen.

[Etrurielle]

Posted: 12/13/05 at 5:08pm

wow...I'm pretty new to this message board so everyone is completely entitled to ignore me, but I think there is way too much hate going around here. I for one am a renthead who really liked the movie, but I still can talk to my friends who are also rentheads who hated it, with out jumping down their throats. But there are nicer ways of stating your opinion and I will never understand when people start things just to say how terrible something is. It seems unnecessary to me that someone can find joy or even remote happiness in someone else's "failure," for lack of a better word, especially since I think the Rent movie was far from a failure even without the Golden Globe recognition. Anyway, that's my two cents.

[BSoBW2]

Posted: 12/13/05 at 5:09pm

All I have to say is that people are very attached to RENT and very attached to the film. The musical did very well as far as awards go, and I think many were hoping the movie would receive such recognition.

There is nothing wrong, of course, with being so emotionally attached to a piece of work - espcecially one with a messages such as Rent's.

The problem is, there are other people, such as the person who began this thread, who take advantage of Rent fans who are, sometimes, overly attached to anything Rent.

So why don't we all just settle down. If you like the movie, good! If you didn't, fine! But there's no reason to gloat one way or the other. We are all sick of Rentheads cluttering up BWW, but we are just as sick of the negativity.

[Greekmusicalfan]

Posted: 12/13/05 at 5:09pm

"Huge finacial Loss", "failure", excuse me but do you all live on another planet ? Last time I checked, those characterizations came with films that made 5-6 million grosses. RENT will make a final tally of $30 million and I don't think it that expensive a film so it can be labelled a financial disaster !
What all of you forget is the simple fact that NO ONE CARES ABOUT MOVIE MUSICALS EXCEPT US HERE !!!!!! Phantom and Evita movie versions were infinitely more famous than RENT, with very commercial subjects and they both did around 50 million. And you call RENT a big flop with 30 ????
Chicago was a once in a lifetime exception, please let's not fool ourselves that average people are interested in the genre !
And after reading the despicable posts about people being so happy that RENT did not get any nominations, you know what I wish ? That Hollywood, never makes another musical again. If people are so stupid to not understand that if RENT does not do well, the whole genre is traumatised, than let's not have another one, because we sure don't deserve it !!!
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[Shiksa Goddess2]

Posted: 12/13/05 at 5:27pm

Look, I know that I should probably just let this die, but I'd like to give my two cents since everyone else has. I have been a fan of Rent since I saw in on Broadway last Thanksgiving. I had seen it in Cleveland two years before with a cast that was less than perfect and liked the music but didn't really pay much attention to it after I left the theater. I consider myself a RentHead- even though I'm not old enough to be one of the people who waited in line to see it 10 years ago and such.

I went to see this film with an optimistic view. I hoped for it to be good and do well, and at the same time I knew that it would at least be worth while with so much of the original cast in it. After watching it I was completely silent on the drive home, processing what I had seen. I was moved, as much as I was when I saw it on Broadway. You don't make up those emotions. I am not an actor: I can't make myself cry for Angel, I can't pretend that my heart is breaking during One Song Glory, I can't act like I'm laughing during Tango: Maureen, and I can not and will not ever delude myself into liking something that is not great. I love Rent, the music, the spirit, the people in it, and now the movie. I like all these things separately or put together, so please don't assume that I don't actually feel what I feel when I watch this film. It has given me the hope that things can get better, the courage to come out to my friends, and a glimpse of what a family looks like- a family of loving, caring friends. You don't make this stuff up.

[katygrace84]

Posted: 12/13/05 at 5:58pm

No matter what is said on these boards and in reviews, this movie has meant a lot to me as well as to many other people. And to listen to people tear it apart along with its fans and those involved in its creation is breaking my heart. Why do threads like this even have to exist? Why do we feel the need to tear each other apart like this?

For those of us who follow the box office numbers and the awards nominations, we know what is going on. We see what is happening with this film that we love. And for us, it's not about box office receipts, "beating" other films and winning awards. It's about this story being told. It's about Jonathan's legacy living on. It's about inspiring hope and love. And this film has done that for many people. I know what I feel each and every time I watch this movie. I know what I'm crying for and what I smiling for. What I feel and the impact that this movie has on me every time I see it is no delusion. My only wish is that more people would have seen the movie that I saw. I am eternally grateful to everyone who helped make this film, especially Jonathan. It has had an incalculable impact on my life.