“The show must go on” reaks of white supremacy. Thoughts by Robin De Jesus

[DAME]

Posted: 4/16/21 at 8:34pm

https://www.instagram.com/tv/CNs_MDtjVCN/?igshid=q9ddx645d74o

[DAME]

Posted: 4/16/21 at 8:38pm

And he goes to town on Barry and Fran.  Also reminding us that a actor committed suicide on their watch.

[Fosse76]

Posted: 4/16/21 at 10:10pm

DAME said: "And he goes to town on Barry and Fran. Also reminding us that a actor committed suicide on their watch."

I'm not saying the Weisslers aren't racist, but I have no doubt that had he been white, they would have treated him exactly the same way. The Weisslers aren't exactly known for their generosity.

[Tag]

Posted: 4/16/21 at 10:54pm

Why did I just waste 11 minutes watching that?

[DAME]

Posted: 4/16/21 at 11:36pm

Fosse76 said: "DAME said: "And he goes to town on Barry and Fran. Also reminding us that a actor committed suicide on their watch."

I'm not saying the Weisslers aren't racist, but I have no doubt that had he been white, they would have treated him exactly the same way. The Weisslers aren't exactly known for their generosity."

Agreed.  

[MannPhan24601]

Posted: 4/16/21 at 11:46pm

I'm still confused on Kimoko Glenn's sudden departure in Waitress. (A Weissler show )Seemed very sudden and they never had an offical announcement on her returning . She also never wrote about Waitress on social media until closing night ......

[poisonivy2]

Posted: 4/16/21 at 11:49pm

I love Robin de Jesus as a performer but I'm really confused why he'd go into a gig with no contract. 

[HeyMrMusic]

Posted: 4/16/21 at 11:51pm

Many theatre jobs start before workers receive finalized contracts.

[JBroadway]

Posted: 4/16/21 at 11:59pm

MannPhan24601 said: "I'm still confused on Kimoko Glenn's sudden departure in Waitress. (A Weissler show )Seemed very sudden and they never had an offical announcement on her returning . She also never wrote about Waitress on social media until closing night ......"

 

I always thought Kimiko (not Kimoko) left to to film Orange is the New Black - didn't know there might be more to the story. 

[ColorTheHours048]

Posted: 4/17/21 at 7:42am

poisonivy2 said: "I love Robin de Jesus as a performer but I'm really confused why he'd go into a gig with no contract."

Because he booked a high profile Broadway job and was in the process of negotiating his contract. He clearly states he got the contract well in advance and had to send it back a couple times. The rehearsal schedule doesn’t pause because one member of the cast hasn’t put their name in ink yet.

That being said, I imagine he handles those negotiations a bit more firmly now after what happened on La Cage.

[HogansHero]

Posted: 4/17/21 at 9:08am

tbc, he had "a" contract, just not "his" contract.

tbh, I'd put this on his agent.

believe it or not, a great deal of theatre starts based on a promise, a commitment, an understanding. Fundamental to that process is a level of integrity that permits trust. Now, with that context, go back and read the words Olivo said to start this. 

[Bettyboy72]

Posted: 4/17/21 at 12:12pm

I’m glad he told his story. I feel “the show must go” is rooted more in capitalism than white supremacy. It’s a disregard for the performer in service of the product and box office. It is interesting that “the show must go on” has created at times a hostile environment for performers with the public especially in the social media age. Performers are now bullied and harassed due to this adage. A performer with a chronic illness or injury is often subjected to toxic behavior from producers, staff and fans.

[A Director]

Posted: 4/17/21 at 7:31pm

DAME said: "Fosse76 said: "DAME said: "And he goes to town on Barry and Fran. Also reminding us that a actor committed suicide on their watch."

I'm not saying the Weisslers aren't racist, but I have no doubt that had he been white, they would have treated him exactly the same way. The Weisslers aren't exactly known for their generosity."

Agreed."

DAME and Fosse76 - For years people put up with Rudin because "that's show biz." Your reaction to Robin de Jesus is also "that's show biz."  Is he suppose to feel better Barry and Fran treat white folx the way the treated him?

 

[poisonivy2]

Posted: 4/17/21 at 7:40pm

Tbh a lot of what de Jesus describes is the stuff Louis B Mayer or Jack Warner used to do -- purposely lowball contracts.

[CarlosAlberto]

Posted: 4/18/21 at 12:38pm

Bettyboy72 said: "I’m glad he told his story. I feel “the show must go” is rooted more in capitalism than white supremacy. It’s a disregard for the performer in service of the product and box office. It is interesting that “the show must go on” has created at times a hostile environment for performers with the public especially in the social media age. Performers are now bullied and harassed due to this adage. A performer with a chronic illness or injury is often subjected to toxic behavior from producers, staff and fans."

That's an interesting perspective. It seems like phrase "the show must go on" is now being used as a weapon.

[joevitus]

Posted: 4/18/21 at 1:00pm

CarlosAlberto said: "Bettyboy72 said: "I’m glad he told his story. I feel “the show must go” is rooted more in capitalism than white supremacy. It’s a disregard for the performer in service of the product and box office. It is interesting that “the show must go on” has created at times a hostile environment for performers with the public especially in the social media age. Performers are now bullied and harassed due to this adage. A performer with a chronic illness or injury is often subjected to toxic behavior from producers, staff and fans."

That's an interesting perspective. It seems like phrase "the show must go on" is now being used as a weapon."

Which is far from its original meaning, but one would have to hear from a large number of current professional actors to find out if it indeed has gone through this permutation. 

[SouthernCakes]

Posted: 4/18/21 at 1:18pm

What did he say made it more about white supremacy? As a white actor, ive def performed ill for various reasons before. I don’t see how it’s a white ting? Unless he’s saying it because the majority of people in charge tend to be white?

[Fosse76]

Posted: 4/18/21 at 1:34pm

A Director said: "DAME said: "Fosse76 said: "DAME said: "And he goes to town on Barry and Fran. Also reminding us that a actor committed suicide on their watch."

I'm not saying the Weisslers aren't racist, but I have no doubt that had he been white, they would have treated him exactly the same way. The Weisslers aren't exactly known for their generosity."

Agreed."

DAME and Fosse76 - For years people put up with Rudin because "that's show biz." Your reaction to Robin de Jesus is also "that's show biz." Is he suppose to feel better Barry and Fran treat white folx the way the treated him?"

No. And neither of us advocated that. Perhaps if you actually read what I wrote maybe you'd understand what I said. Nowhere in my post did I excuse Rudin's behavior.

[Dolly80]

Posted: 4/18/21 at 1:42pm

I don’t get where racism comes into this. Seems too easy to label everything racist if something bad happens to you and you aren’t white. BUT, there’s no doubt that the Weisslers are one of the work set of producers to work for.

If the terrible pay isn’t enough- the atmosphere on some of their productions is toxic. Hi Waitress London!

[DAME]

Posted: 4/18/21 at 2:14pm

Dolly80 said: "I don’t get where racism comes into this. Seems too easy to label everything racist if something bad happens to you and you aren’t white. BUT, there’s no doubt that the Weisslers are one of the work set of producers to work for.

If the terrible pay isn’t enough- the atmosphere on some of their productions is toxic. Hi Waitress London!"

How was Waitress in London toxic?  

[Dolly80]

Posted: 4/18/21 at 5:04pm

Updated On: 4/18/21 at 05:04 PM

[HogansHero]

Posted: 4/18/21 at 5:51pm

Dolly80 said: "I don’t get where racism comes into this. Seems too easy to label everything racist if something bad happens to you and you aren’t white"

Let me guess: you are white. You don't get it because it does not affect your privileged life. And you haven't tried to understand the world in which many POC -- including the highly privileged -- wake up every single morning. There is another point, though. This mentality of (e.g.) the Weissler's (with which you seem familiar) is rooted in white culture. When a sick performer risks permanent damage because of some idiotic tradition, where do you think that notion comes from? P.S.: Hamlet would not be worth a human life; nothing Scott Rudin, or Fran and Barry, or anyone else produces is. 

[LizzieCurry]

Posted: 4/18/21 at 5:59pm

Dolly80 said: "I don’t get where racism comes into this."

A nice rule is that if you're tempted to say this, consider not doing so!

[Dolly80]

Posted: 4/18/21 at 6:04pm

LizzieCurry said: "Dolly80 said: "I don’t get where racism comes into this."

A nice rule is that if you're tempted to say this, consider not doing so!"

Well you are just full of advice aren’t you? 

[Sutton Ross]

Posted: 4/18/21 at 6:11pm