2020 Tony Nominations Thread - Page 5

[Phantom of London]

Posted: 10/15/20 at 3:42pm

It is hardly Aaron's fault that he was the only one to get nominated in this very strange year, it shouldn't go against him. The award is still competitive even though he is the only one nominated and by virtual he shut others out from being nominated as they didn't meet the criteria of being good enough.

[blaxx]

Posted: 10/15/20 at 3:54pm

Phantom of London said: "It is hardly Aaron's fault that he was the only one to get nominated in this very strange year, it shouldn't go against him. The award is still competitive even though he is the only one nominated and by virtual he shut others out from being nominated as they didn't meet the criteria of being good enough."

No, it stopped being competitive when he was the only nominee. This will go in history as the stupidest decision in any competitive event.

It is like saying you won a gold medal because you were the only person deemed worthy of running the race! Lol

And of course it isn't his fault, I feel awful for him. He's not winning a Tony  he's just getting one. 

[JBroadway]

Posted: 10/15/20 at 3:59pm

@Wayman - While the win/lose ratios for those shows do seem to support your case, I think there's something to be said that these shows were nominated at all, and in the case of things like Spongebob, got quite a few nominations. And while Slater didn't win, his performance was embraced and praised by the NY theatre community. Very few people criticized him, or the show, on the grounds of being for children. And that's because there was a degree of artistry and sophistication to it - because there's no reason art aimed at children can't also be enjoyable for adults. And that's really my main point, more than anything else. 

And incidentally, IF there is a bias (which is debatable, because what one might call "bias" another might just call "taste", I would argue that it isn't against children's shows, but rather big, splashy, franchise-driven musicals. That category encompasses not only shows like Aladdin, and Frozen, but the many other shows (not aimed at kids) that also lost out to the smaller, Off-Broadway-style, shows. 

[ArtMan]

Posted: 10/15/20 at 4:00pm

How long will it take before someone starts a thread, "Who do you think will win the 2020 Tony for Best Actor In A Musical?"  I, for one, enjoyed him in Moulin Rouge, as well as in Next To Normal and Catch Me If You Can.  Really talented and when I met him, extremely nice.

[ACL2006]

Posted: 10/15/20 at 4:03pm

I mean, Tveit can always refuse the award.

[Jordan Catalano]

Posted: 10/15/20 at 4:05pm

ACL2006 said: "I mean, Tveit can always refuse the award."

For some weird reason, I think people here think he "should". People are so weird.

 

[Sutton Ross]

Posted: 10/15/20 at 4:07pm

"I'm glad the Tonys kept the category. The nominators voted that Tveit did Tony-worthy work, so congrats to him. But he hasn't won anything yet: 60% of the voters need to agree. And if they do (as I believe they will), Tveit deserves the triumph. That's not ''winning by default.'' That's winning by majority vote."

Exactly. It's incredibly pathetic that people are saying dumb sh*t like “he's just getting one!“. Laughable and asinine, as usual.

[blaxx]

Posted: 10/15/20 at 4:09pm

ACL2006 said: "I mean, Tveit can always refuse the award."

Why?  He will make history, this should never happen again.

If anything, he'll have a funny story to tell forever. He may not gloat about it, but he technically did win an award. Technically.

[blaxx]

Posted: 10/15/20 at 4:11pm

Sutton Ross said: ""I'm glad the Tonys kept the category. The nominators voted that Tveit did Tony-worthy work, so congrats to him. But he hasn't won anything yet: 60% of the voters need to agree. And if they do (as I believe they will), Tveit deserves the triumph. That's not ''winning by default.'' That's winning by majority vote."

Exactly. It's incredibly pathetic that people are saying dumb sh*t like “he's just getting one!“. Laughable and asinine, as usual. "

You think he'll still be nice to you at stagedoor now that he has a Tony? Awards change people.

[bear88]

Posted: 10/15/20 at 4:14pm

quizking101 said: "Tag said: "The biggest loser today is Aaron. If he wins (which is obviously likely) he'll always carry the burden of winning the default Tony."

To me, that’s better than Chris McCarrell, who was shut out of a maximum two-man horse race."

It's basically Tony voters saying, everything about your show is so bad we won't nominate anything from it just to fill in a few categories. But if I'm McCarrell, that's got to sting. Because that's a personal snub. They could have nominated him just as nominal competition so there wouldn't be a one-person category. But the nominating committee said, "You're so terrible - so unworthy - that we won't even give you that even if it makes our Best Leading Actor in a Musical category look like less of a joke."

[MadsonMelo]

Posted: 10/15/20 at 4:15pm

Technically, McCarrell should've been a Tony nominee actor, but he's not. Tveit is, because he did work that most people thought it was WORTH IT, and it's because of this that he will win the Tonys. 

Those picky and very mean comments about Tveit are not something that we need right now. 

[JBroadway]

Posted: 10/15/20 at 4:29pm

As much as I didn't personally care for Tveit's performance, I will say this: 

The binary "yea or nay" system is specifically designed to allow for a situation in which a sole nominee can credibly win a Tony without cheapening the award. The rules are set up in such a way that, if the nominating committee didn't want to vote for Tveit, they didn't have to. And likewise, if the voters don't want to give him a Tony, they don't have to. He still needs to get 60% of them to vote "yea."  The whole point of that 60% system is so that people can't say that he won the Tony by "default" or that that he won on a "technicality." 

Now, I think that system isn't consistent throughout the awards: I wish that they had implemented something similar for the other categories, rather than automatically nominating 3 out of the 4 eligible shows. And I wish they were more willing to utilize systems like this in normal years, when an incredibly weak category comes up. But regardless of whether it should or shouldn't have happened in other years, and in other categories, the fact is that in THIS year, and in THIS category, they ARE implement rules that would give more credibility, and more meaning to his potential win. 

Updated On: 10/15/20 at 04:29 PM

[Jordan Catalano]

Posted: 10/15/20 at 4:32pm

Thank you.

[blaxx]

Posted: 10/15/20 at 4:35pm

JBroadway said: "As much as I didn't personally care for Tveit's performance, I will say this:

The binary "yeaor nay" system is specifically designed to allow for a situation in which a sole nomineecan credibly win a Tony without cheapening the award. The rules are set up in such a way that, if the nominating committee didn't want to vote for Tveit, they didn't have to. And likewise, if thevoters don't want to give him a Tony, they don't have to. He still needs to get 60% of them to vote "yea."The whole point of that 60% system is so that people can't say that he won the Tony by "default" or that that he won on a "technicality."

Now, I think that system isn't consistent throughout the awards: I wish that they had implemented something similar for the other categories, rather than automatically nominating 3 out of the 4 eligible shows. And I wish they were more willing to utilize systems like this in normal years, when an incredibly weak category comes up. But regardless of whether it should or shouldn't have happened in other years, and in other categories, the fact is that in THIS year, and in THIS category, they ARE implement rules that would givemore credibility, and more meaning to his potential win."

I think you're trying to rationalize a flaw in the Tony rules. I want to bet that, for future ceremonies, it will be established that this cannot happen. It is humiliating to the shunned actor and awkward for the winner - whether he deserved it or not.

It is hardly a way to celebrate competitive awards when both performers are put in such spotlight. You can see the glass half full but this singles out individuals in an unfair manner. 

Updated On: 10/15/20 at 04:35 PM

[Wayman_Wong]

Posted: 10/15/20 at 4:40pm

''.I am sure the nom is bitter-sweet for Tveit''

Are you kidding? Tveit knows the sting of being passed over for Tony nominations before, so I bet he's thrilled to finally get his due. I've never heard him gripe in any interviews about Tony ''snubs.'' He's been the good sport: even co-hosting the Creative Tonys last year. Tveit obviously has no say over the circumstances of how he's the sole Tony nominee in his category, and like the vote itself, it's out of his hands. Assuming he wins, he'll be doubly grateful. 

Or as Sam Eckmann wrote at GoldDerby.com: ''Tony nominators: you should have nominated Aaron Tveit  for “Next to Normal.” You should have nominated him for “Catch Me if You Can.” You didn’t. So consider a nomination for his awesome work in “Moulin Rouge!” as a massively deserved IOU.''

As for ''Lightning Thief,'' my heart goes out to Chris McCarrell, Ryan Knowles and Rob Kokicki. As a show, it surely wasn't a masterpiece, but the work they did in it, was just as entertaining and worthy as a number of past Tony nominees I've seen. It was mean-spirited to shut it out of every category.

Updated On: 10/15/20 at 04:40 PM

[Fan123]

Posted: 10/15/20 at 4:57pm

I guess the Best Leading Actor in a Musical award will be politely passed over altogether on the night if he doesn't get the votes? It would be too cruel to announce "And the Tony goes to... *opens envelope*... no one!"

What could Aaron Tveit say in his likely acceptance speech? "I'm shocked. Shocked."

[Sutton Ross]

Posted: 10/15/20 at 4:59pm

Are you kidding? Tveit knows the sting of being passed over for Tony nominations before, so I bet he's thrilled to finally get his due. I've never heard him gripe in any interviews about Tony ''snubs.'' He's been the good sport: even co-hosting the Creative Tonys last year. Tveit obviously has no say over the circumstances of how he's the sole Tony nominee in his category, andlike the vote itself, it's out of his hands. Assuming he wins,he'll be doubly grateful.

Or as Sam Eckmann wrote at GoldDerby.com: ''Tony nominators: you should have nominated Aaron Tveit for “Next to Normal.” You should have nominated him for “Catch Me if You Can.” You didn’t. So consider a nomination for his awesome work in “Moulin Rouge!” as a massively deserved IOU.''"

Brilliant as always Mr. Wong. 

 

[HogansHero]

Posted: 10/15/20 at 5:05pm

Wayman_Wong said: "''.I am sure the nom is bitter-sweet for Tveit''

Are you kidding? Tveit knows the sting of being passed over for Tony nominations before, so I bet he's thrilled to finally get his due. I've never heard him gripe in any interviews about Tony ''snubs.'' He's been the good sport: even co-hosting the Creative Tonys last year. Tveit obviously has no say over the circumstances of how he's the sole Tony nominee in his category, andlike the vote itself, it's out of his hands. Assuming he wins,he'll be doubly grateful.

Or as Sam Eckmann wrote at GoldDerby.com: ''Tony nominators: you should have nominated Aaron Tveit for “Next to Normal.” You should have nominated him for “Catch Me if You Can.” You didn’t. So consider a nomination for his awesome work in “Moulin Rouge!” as a massively deserved IOU.''"

I agree he will be thrilled but I don't understand your repeated citation of this Eckmann person (who is he? are you his publicist or something?) who, based on what you have quoted before and now, seems to make some of the dumbest imaginable comments I have ever heard. So the Tony nominators don't like shows geared to kids, but (without conferring) they give awards to people based on their having been overlooked before, even though there is no identity of nominators between now and then. I admit that these pundit award prophecy websites are pretty high on my pointless scale, but this dude you seem to revere takes the cutglass flyswatter.

[starlightlocamotion]

Posted: 10/15/20 at 5:06pm

So is this “Moulin Rouge” a slam dunk for Best Musical? Or is there a world where Tina/Jagged little Pill could win the top prize?

[Sutton Ross]

Posted: 10/15/20 at 5:13pm

That's a really good question, I have no idea who the frontrunner of that race would be, I enjoyed all three for very different reasons. Got thoughts anybody? 

[MichelleCraig]

Posted: 10/15/20 at 5:15pm

Really looking forward to Aaron's acceptance speech. So many possibilities!

[RippedMan]

Posted: 10/15/20 at 5:15pm

Of the 3, I think Moulin Rouge is the stronger show. 

[MrJNLong]

Posted: 10/15/20 at 5:15pm

Kyle Soller's non-nomination was the only huge surprise for me from these announcements.

So looks like there's a decent chance (even likely?) that Moulin Rouge walks away from this winning all of the awards they are nominated for except 2 (Lead and Featured Actress).

Which means Moulin Rouge could end up being an 11-time Tony winning musical. Same as Hamilton.

That is...uh...kind of inappropriate in my opinion...haha...

To slightly pivot and change topics, does anyone have any thoughts on who will/should win the Best Director in a Play category? That one seems like the most difficult to predict right now for me.

Updated On: 10/15/20 at 05:15 PM

[unclevictor]

Posted: 10/15/20 at 5:28pm

MrJNLong said: "Kyle Soller's non-nomination was the only huge surprise for me from these announcements.

So looks like there's a decent chance (even likely?) that Moulin Rouge walks away from this winning all of the awards they are nominated for except 2 (Lead and Featured Actress).

Which means Moulin Rouge could end up being an 11-time Tony winning musical. Same as Hamilton.

That is...uh...kind of inappropriate in my opinion...haha...

To slightly pivot and change topics, does anyone have any thoughts on who will/should win the Best Director in a Play category? That one seems like the most difficult to predict right now for me."

Agreed with the inappropriateness.

none of it makes sense.

[HenryTDobson]

Posted: 10/15/20 at 6:08pm

MrJNLong said: "Kyle Soller's non-nomination was the only huge surprise for me from these announcements.

So looks like there's a decent chance (even likely?) that Moulin Rouge walks away from this winning all of the awards they are nominated for except 2 (Lead and Featured Actress).

Which means Moulin Rouge could end up being an 11-time Tony winning musical. Same as Hamilton.

That is...uh...kind of inappropriate in my opinion...haha..."

By my count, Moulin Rouge would have picked up 11-12 nominations if it were "regular times." I believe it would have been seriously competitive to win 6-7 of them. It's not my favorite show ever, but you can't deny the design components. Sure, 11 wins would be odd, but it's 2020. Everything is odd. 

I'm super happy for Aaron, but I wish they had put him in featured actor instead (booting out Derek Klena). That would have made for an exciting race.