2025 Presidency and Entertainment Industry - Page 2

[inception]

Posted: 11/6/24 at 3:44pm

He had Dana White on stage last night who thanked the frigging Nelk Boys.  How is the entertainment industry not already involved?  

[SeanD2]

Posted: 11/6/24 at 3:52pm

To quote the Jesus Christ Superstar film, "They've got what they want. They think so anyway. If he's what they want, why take their toy away? He's a craze."

 

Or maybe another Tim Rice lyric is more appropriate, "Things have reached a pretty pass when someone pretty lower-class, graceless and vulgar, uninspired, can be accepted and admired"

[BETTY22]

Posted: 11/6/24 at 5:24pm

I wonder if shows like Annie Get Your Gun and Millie will now be produced again.

There is without a doubt a change in cultural values going on - and what is and is not appropriate. 

[Matt Rogers]

Posted: 11/6/24 at 5:29pm

Ensemble1671017357 said: "KevinKlawitter said: "Ensemble1671017357 said: "Voter said: "As we collect out thoughts of what happened in the past 24 hours, I want to know what will happen to the entertainment industry if our government goes from democracy to fascism?

(Let’s be respectful please in our responses. I just want to know what might happen)"

Remember when Trump was the 45th President and Shakespeare in the Park performed Julius Caesar with Caesar as Trump, stabbing him to death at the end?

Remind me - who was arrested over that? Who went to jail? Who lost their jobs? What organizations lost their funding? Who was de-platformed? Who was censored?

Bonus question: What administration mandated the population take an experimental drug or lose their jobs?

Asking for a friend."

Shakespeare In The Park lost two major sponsors because of that production

But I don't expect an anti-vaxxer to know much about history, recent or otherwise.

(Julius Caesar is killed near thebeginningofJulius Caesar​​​​​​, not the end)"

Oh. That makes censorship, deplatforming, death threats, de-humanizing, thought control, health endangerment and loss of control over one's body and job loss alright then."

You really think this is the place to spew your right wing lies and rhetoric?

[CreatureKitchen]

Posted: 11/6/24 at 7:21pm

Just echoing that I'm very curious what the impact on audience taste will be. And I don't mean censorship or appealing to more conservative audiences. I just wonder what the appetite will be for shows like Suffs, Cabaret, Ragtime, etc. or even shows that are not political but just dark and cynical like Sunset. Will people gravitate towards happier and lighter entertainment, or seek out the catharsis provided by harder-hitting shows? It seems the former tends to be the typical response.

[charlie525600]

Posted: 11/6/24 at 8:11pm

I suspect darker shows aren't going anywhere. We saw a shift in top awarded/popular shows when Trump was elected in 2016 from lighter fare (Book of Mormon, Kinky Boots, Once) to sadder shows (Dear Evan Hansen, Hadestown, the Band's Visit). Hamilton managed to straddle this gap (though I personally think it feels very Obama-era). I think many theatre goers want something that feels real - chipper popcorn fare may not connect with many regular theatre goers

[EDSOSLO858]

Posted: 11/6/24 at 8:22pm

I just hope there will still be an audience for grounded, more “real” theatre as there is for lighter, escapist fare in the years to come. 

One thing is for sure though: these boards are not going anywhere, and I hope they can be a safe space where we can show our love and passion for the art form in these turbulent times. 

[HogansHero]

Posted: 11/6/24 at 9:39pm

A couple of very important points many here seem to be forgetting:

1. The once and future tangerine president rarely does what he promises. ("I am going to build a great wall, very inexpensively, and I will have Mexico pay for that wall.")

2. If the choice is between dismantling the health and education agencies or the arts agencies, as painful as it is to say, the progressive preference has to be the former. 

Perspective.

[theatreguy12]

Posted: 11/7/24 at 1:50am

I find it odd to throw the word fascism out there, then follow it up by asking people to be respectful. But whatever. 

I know a lot of people are unhappy with the outcome of this election, but there are a few things that can't be ignored.  Some 67% of voters said they felt that their lifestyles have been severely impacted over the last four years, and making ends meet has not been easy due to the increased prices of everything.  Even KH acknowledged these high prices.  

In addition, saying that ticket sales will be down over the next 4 years because people won't be able to afford the luxuries of a theater ticket isn't exactly valid either.  We don't know what's going to happen yet.  But what we do know is that apparently a lot of voters have been finding it hard enough to afford their daily needs, much less luxury items, over the last four years.  Just making those ends meet have been at the forefront of their thoughts and concerns.  Just bringing prices down on necessities could very well free up some money that can be spent on luxuries.   

I know most theatergoers here don't like him or support him, but that doesn't change the fact that there are others out there who clearly don't share our privilege of attending the theater whenever we like, and when some 70% say they don't feel the country has been going in the right direction, that is not mine to disregard.  If one doesn't agree with that, that's fine. But people have a right to feel the way they do, based on their own circumstances.  Circumstances we really know little about.

 

[blaxx]

Posted: 11/7/24 at 4:37am

theatreguy12 said: "I find it odd to throw the word fascism out there, then follow itup by asking people to be respectful. But whatever.

I know a lot of people are unhappy with the outcome of this election, but there are a few things that can't be ignored. Some 67% of voters said they felt that their lifestyles havebeen severelyimpacted over the last four years,and making ends meet has not been easy due to the increased prices of everything. Even KH acknowledged these high prices.

In addition, saying that ticket sales will be down overthe next 4 years because people won't be able to afford the luxuries of a theater ticket isn't exactly valid either. We don't know what's going to happen yet. But what we do know is that apparently a lot of voters have been findingit hard enoughto afford their daily needs, much less luxury items, over the last four years. Just making those ends meet have beenat the forefront of their thoughts and concerns. Just bringing prices down on necessities could very well free up some money that can be spent on luxuries.

I know mosttheatergoers here don't like him or support him, but that doesn't change the fact that there are others out there who clearly don't share our privilege of attending the theater whenever we like,andwhen some70% saythey don'tfeel the country has beengoing in the right direction, that is not mine to disregard. If one doesn't agree with that, that's fine. But people have a right to feel theway they do, based on their own circumstances. Circumstances we really know little about.

"

Sorry but your post is full of privilege talking. Economy is not everything, nor should it be the only priority in your capitalist heart.

You must not have felt any impact of hatred or threat to human rights in your life to imply it's all about economy. 

And if theater prizes really were to go down, what would theater even be about? Over 95% of theater creators believe the opposite of what Trump stand for. 

You do have a right to feel what you want, yet this a theater forum and professionals feel awfully threatened by it all. 

Maybe it this was a forum of white rich Democrats, you can convince them of the opposite.

[Seb28]

Posted: 11/7/24 at 5:05am

blaxx said: "Economy is not everything, nor should it be the only priority in your capitalist heart.

You must not have felt any impact of hatred or threat to human rights in your life to imply it's all about economy."

Economy is one of the most important things for all of us. I also think the USA as well as all developed European countries face a big threat in the form of islamic invasion of people who do not want to integrate, but take away human rights and take over. The numbers are alarming, combined with the crimes against humanity, many cities have a majority now, taking over city councils and politics and already changing the laws. In many cities pictures or decorations of anything that has to do with Christmas is forbidden. Homosexuality is forbidden. Pork is forbidden. Primary schools have mandatory Quran lessons. Leaders of a country must have a deep understanding of wat Islam is. It is not a religion, it is an ideology with a goal. The path Harris had in mind was a serious threat to your safety and human rights.

 

[JasonC3]

Posted: 11/7/24 at 6:24am

Seb28 said: "Economy is one of the most important things for all of us. I also think the USA as well as all developed European countries facea big threat in the form of islamic invasion of people who do not want to integrate, but take away human rights and take over. The numbers are alarming, combined with the crimes against humanity, many cities have a majority now, taking over city councils and politics and already changing the laws. In many cities pictures or decorations of anything that has to do with Christmas is forbidden. Homosexuality is forbidden. Pork is forbidden. Primary schools have mandatory Quran lessons. Leaders of a country must have a deep understanding ofwat Islam is. It is not a religion, it is an ideology with a goal. The path Harris had in mind was a serious threat to your safety and human rights."

Little of what you assert is happening in any US city. Alarmist B.S.

 

[Seb28]

Posted: 11/7/24 at 7:18am

JasonC3 said: "Little of what you assert is happening in any US city. Alarmist B.S."

The "erase all Jews because Quran says so" movements, ProPalestine movements, attacks on gay bars, universities where the American flag is prohibited is in line with that. That is how it started in the UK and Germany too. 

 

[inception]

Posted: 11/7/24 at 9:14am

All the nuts are coming out now.

[ACL2006]

Posted: 11/7/24 at 9:25am

His proposed tariffs will cause inflation to go up. The economy won't get better under him.

He has said his plan is basically Project 2025.

The mass deportations will spiral the economy into a recession. 

And who knows how the wars will end up, but I'm not expecting peace to come in the next 4 years. Ukraine may get eliminated. Israel-Palestine is another hot button with a lot of uncertainty.

I don't feel good about the future of this country. At all.

[Jay Lerner-Z]

Posted: 11/7/24 at 9:29am

Seb, with respect, you belong in Arkham Asylum.

[MikeInTheDistrict]

Posted: 11/7/24 at 9:34am

I grieve for the state of economic and basic literacy in this country if people think Donal Trump was the right choice for their pocketbooks. Yes, people are currently hurting economically. This is because of worldwide inflation in the wake of a very economically destabilizing pandemic that is affecting all nations, everywhere. There is some degree of inevitable inflation that is inescapable, but governments having to spend/print a lot of money all at once and supply chains breaking down during a pandemic, caused a spike in inflation worldwide. It is not just a U.S. thing, and the U.S. has actually done better at mitigating the effects of inflation than most of the rest of the world.

The aforesaid inflation in combination with growing concentration of wealth at the very top, price gouging by corporations, and a demographic collision of the two largest generations by population size (Baby Boomers and Millennials) competing for a limited supply of housing is why people feel the American Dream is unattainable.

I feel for everyone who is hurting economically right now. That's why I voted for Kamala Harris. She had actual plans to tax the wealthy to get some of that money to circulate in the economy again instead of lying fallow in the hands of  the top 1% and waiting passively for it to "trickle down" to the working and middle classes. By contrast, Trump wants to cut taxes for the wealthy, and impose regressive tarriffs, and adopt a more isolationist stance which would only cause prices to go higher. We've just seen what has happened in the U.K. with Brexit. That is why Elon Musk, the literal richest man in the world, spent over a hundred million dollars trying to get Trump elected. (And even admitted that there will be a negative effect on the economy if he does.) It's why Jeff Bezos, one of the other richest men in the world, put the kibosh on the Washington Post's endorsement of Harris. It's why Bernie Sanders, one of the few politicians who actually advocates for the working class endorsed Harris.

Obviously, how much of anything Trump says he will do will actually happen, we don't know. But a vote for Trump on economic grounds for anyone but those who are already wealthy is nothing more than an uninformed, reactionary motion.

Updated On: 11/7/24 at 09:34 AM

[Jordan Catalano]

Posted: 11/7/24 at 9:42am

We (the Dems) have so many problems that it takes much more space than I’d even have here to begin to touch on. But one of the worst problems we have is the inability to make people realize how, like with every other election, Republicans will mess up the economy then people will get mad and vote the Dems back in and we’ll fix it only for the cycle to start all over again. Every damn 4-8 years. It’s f’ing infuriating and just exhausting. We need to finally find a way to drill it into people’s heads that Republicans are NOT good on the economy and that’s a lie they’ve mastered to brainwash the public into believing. 
 

Will it happen? Most probably not. But I’m praying starting next week, a tidal wave of Gen Z’ers start laying the groundwork for midterms. Because my generation (Gen X) failed this country so spectacularly this week. The Young ARE at the gates and they need to burn it the f*ck down. 

[JasonC3]

Posted: 11/7/24 at 10:45am

Jordan Catalano said: "We (the Dems) have so many problems that it takes much more space than I’d even have here to begin to touch on. But one of the worst problems we have is the inability to make people realize how, like with every other election, Republicans will mess up the economy then people will get mad and vote the Dems back in and we’ll fix it only for the cycle to start all over again. Every damn 4-8 years. It’s f’ing infuriating and just exhausting. We need to finally find a way to drill it into people’s heads that Republicans are NOT good on the economy and that’s a lie they’ve mastered to brainwash the public into believing."

This x1000. Even media factcheckers could not believe the stat Bill Clinton shares in his DNC speech illustrating that almost all job growth comes during Democratic administrations:  https://archive.li/JpLzM

[KevinKlawitter]

Posted: 11/7/24 at 11:01am

JasonC3 said: "Jordan Catalano said: "We (the Dems) have so many problems that it takes much more space than I’d even have here to begin to touch on. But one of the worst problems we have is the inability to make people realize how, like with every other election, Republicans will mess up the economy then people will get mad and vote the Dems back in and we’ll fix it only for the cycle to start all over again. Every damn 4-8 years. It’s f’ing infuriating and just exhausting. We need to finally find a way to drill it into people’s heads that Republicans are NOT good on the economy and that’s a lie they’ve mastered to brainwash the public into believing."

This x1000. Even media factcheckers could not believe the stat Bill Clinton shares in his DNC speech illustrating that almost all job growth comes during Democratic administrations: https://archive.li/JpLzM"

It's also been shown time and time again that when shown Republican policies and platforms, lots of voters simply don't believe it because of how over-the-top cruel they are. Even stuff that Trump said he wants to do outright you get a response of "he's only joking!" Or "he wouldn't be able to do that!"

But I wouldn't put so much stock in Gen Z. Gen Z males in particular broke for Trump. The toxicity of streamer/podcast/TikTok culture shouldn't be underestimated.

[Jordan Catalano]

Posted: 11/7/24 at 11:09am

I still have faith that Gen Z can get through to more people now than anyone else can right now. They understand the landscape of how a vast number of people now consume information so if Dem leadership is at all smart (and it looks like they started to get the message the last 3 months), they'll continue and amp up younger voices who understand the importance of TikTok, Instagram, Podcasts etc to reach people and get their messaging out.

But in reality, what other choice do we have? We're losing more of the Boomer generation every election cycle and if Gen X is going to (Please God, dont' let it happen) take their reigns and vote against their interests it's up to Millennials and Z to restructure how to get the truth out there to Voters and get them fired up.

[kdogg36]

Posted: 11/7/24 at 11:13am

Jay Lerner-Z said: "Kathy Griffin?"

The only thing that bothered me about Kathy Griffin's photo was that it wasn't real. Seeing Donald Trumps actual bloody, severed head would provide masturbatory fodder for the rest of my life.

[Seb28]

Posted: 11/7/24 at 11:34am

Jay Lerner-Z said: "Seb, with respect, you belong in Arkham Asylum."

Thanks for being so respectful. ;)

Anyway, I see you are not quite aware of islam and the situation in Europe yet. What a great and ignorant feeling that must be. Trump will protect your safety and human rights for another 4 years without you even being aware of it.

[Jay Lerner-Z]

Posted: 11/7/24 at 12:52pm

The Olympics in Paris went well despite being held in such a hellzone, I guess.

 

[Wayman_Wong]

Posted: 11/7/24 at 12:55pm

A showtune that seems especially timely now is from David Henry Hwang and Jeanine Tesori's ''Soft Power,'' which was recently done at the Signature Theatre in Arlington, Va. In the show, Hillary Clinton sings ''Democracy,'' and in the closing, the whole cast reprises it. It's about still believing in democracy, despite despair and disappointment. 

 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yEMx0No3imo

Updated On: 11/7/24 at 12:55 PM