Mike Pence Gets "Boo'd" at HAMILTON Tonight — Page 16

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The idea that it would have been acceptable only if the message was given backstage to Mike privately is just silly. It was meant to be seen and shared. It was meant to tell people that they are not alone and that you can stand up to this administration and have a voice.

For all of you bitching (hyperbolically about Pence’s views

There is nothing hyperbolic in fearing the appointment of a man who supports conversion therapy for gays. And that's just the tip of the iceberg.

If you surround yourself with your mean-girl friends, march over to someone you have an issue with and say "I'd like to...um...like talk about how you suck and stuff...but with LOVE, ya know...", that's not really dialog. That’s being a bully.

And that's not what they did.

Singling someone out in a hostile crowd and lecturing them from the stage is an aggressive and mean act. It's ONLY a "I'm gonna dump my poo on you and you can't say nothing" act. It was juvenile, graceless and pointless. I know, I know...your f-ing issues are sooo important that any need for common dignity or courtesy goes right out the window. You're at WAR!! Well, explain that to the Syrians...

Now, that's a PERFECT example of being hyperbolic.

What the Hamilton cast, the audience, and most of the posters here have explained to me very clearly is that I’m not welcome in the theater.

You're Mike Pence? Huh. What you have determined is "very clear" may be true from the couple of people in the audience and a couple of posters here, but that assumption based on the short speech delivered by one member of the Hamilton cast is nonsensical.

That’s fine, my support and business goes elsewhere.

Okay. I don't think anyone will have a problem with that.

I can't stand Pence, I think he's a real low-life, but if he payed for admission they shouldn't harass him.

Well, he wasn't harassed by the cast.

It was just so wrong and inappropriate for a statement to be made at any type of performance to an audience member for no reason.

There was a reason. It was stated. In the statement.

It was the same as if he would have attended a comedy club show and been heckled for no reason by the comic on stage.

Perhaps if at was after the comic's show just before people are leaving the room and the comic addressed him without actually heckling him, but making a rather soft statement that included thanking him for attending. Then it might be an apt comparison.

The people using words like "harass" and "bully" in reference to the statement made by one member of the cast clearly have never been harassed or bullied and/or couldn't be bothered to see what actually occurred and hopped on the Fox News spaghetti-throwing gotcha-media Palin Party Bus. If you think the cast harassed and bullied Pence, you live a very charmed and privileged, albeit ignorant life.

Scarywarhol said: "The idea that it would have been acceptable only if the message was given backstage to Mike privately is just silly. It was meant to be seen and shared. It was meant to tell people that they are not alone and that you can stand up to this administration and have a voice."

I agree that the cast message was fully intended to be seen and shared. The intent from the very beginning was for the cast speech to go viral.

Brandon was on the CBS News show this morning stating that the goal was to initiate a conversation with Pence. How is a one-sided political speech a conversation?

Brandon simply wanted more Twitter followers and the show wanted even more publicity.

Here's a silver lining for today:

While all of this is going on around us: Hate, pain, Disappointment, Sore Losers, Sore Winners, and fear that I see on the faces of many people I pass on the street in NYC, for the first time, in a Long time, Maybe since the Original production of HAIR, a musical is at the front and center of a national debate. Musicals Like Mormon, Producers, Phantom, et. al are cultural icons, but not titles that start actual political debates among Americans about who we are as a country. Because of the actions of what the cast did on Friday night, people all across the country are debating the place of performing arts in America, and we are being reminded of how integral it is to the American way, to the many freedoms that we experience as Americans: freedom of expression, freedom of opinion, freedom of choice, freedom of religious practice, and freedom of speech. It is no coincidence that Hamilton, as well as HAIR started at the Public, who's truncated mission statement follows: "The Public serves as an advocate for the theater as an essential cultural force in leading and framing dialogue on important issues of our day. These core democratic values, set in place by its visionary founder, Joseph Papp, inform all aspects of The Public’s activities."



I think Joe Papp would be extremely proud that theatre is at the forefront of not only the NYC dialogue, but also a national dialogue. This is when theatre is vital. This is when theatre creates change, and new ideas. This is when theatre artists step up and say We care about the World, and we are going to make a difference.

Goering Booed At Theater, Hitler Demands Apology

Jordan Catalano said: "Oh, shut up. Fool."

*standing ovation*

Yes, Brandon was SOOOOO looking for more Twitter followers, fbueller. Totally seems like that kind of person. *eyeroll*

Pardon me if I repeat a lot of what people have said, but this thread has gotten WAY large! :)

Honestly--some of the responses that I've gotten on Twitter and Facebook have been absolutely ridiculous. Just when I thought, "I'm gonna be the bigger person here" and not delete people for being horrible--I quickly resigned to the fact that there are just really twisted people in this world. It is scary, it is upsetting, and the willingness to jump on something without even READING is unbelievable. I'm 40, have been going to NYC to see shows since 1996 (and in the past 2 years I have been going 4-5 times a year) and before that spent most of my time seeing touring shows and shows in Toronto. One of my "friends" actually said to me, "have you ever been to a Broadway show?" Really? I about died.

Of course not all theater people/actors/etc. are liberal...but let's face it--artists and lovers of artists tend to be on the leftist side. And you know what? I'm proud of that. People can call me a crybaby, a jerk, a bleeding-heart, over-sensitive--and you can go ahead and do that. I've been called everything under the sun, completely marginalized for my gender & weight, and horrible things have been said to me for YEARS. And having someone entering the White House who says things like this really does trigger really bad emotions for me.

I will say again--go ahead. Boycott something that is sold out forever. Boycott something that 90% of theatergoers will stand behind. Boycott something that is artistic, a speech that was yes pre-planned but was respectful, and a group of performers that give more than any "boycotter" would ever be able to do. Plus, am I about to go to a Ted Nugent concert? No. Am I about to stand in line to meet Scott Baio? No. We all CHOOSE to do things, to spend our money on things, do what we WANT. It's not like those who were booing Mr. Pence were chucking bottles/drawing swastikas/holding nooses like I have seen over and over again in the past two weeks.

You don't like it? Don't go. Don't listen. Erase the cast recording from your phone. Break the CDs. If you have tickets, stand in front of the Richard Rodgers and give them away to people who have been dying to see this art form. Leave it all to those of us who appreciate art in many different forms, and the freedom to express such art however we choose. And most importantly? Take yourself out of these boards. I'm all about dissenting viewpoints, that's the point of most things, but don't be hateful and generalizing when you don't know a darn thing about the situation.

I really have been trying to be positive...but this feels like the arts in general are just going to go back to being an afterthought--as it has been in previous administrations. I'm not looking forward to those type of cuts especially at the school-age level, but across the board. I'm trying to stay positive about it, but feels like the first example.

^Need to include everything in the quote, A8, not just what supports your train of thought. I got what you said bloomerific and thank you for the post! Also don't mind A8, he hates Hamilton and everyone on this board has known that for months!

Updated On: 11/21/16 at 12:37 PM

Here's my thoughts on the whole thing:

Pence was OK with what happened, so I'm OK with what happened. Trump should have stayed out of it.

That's it.

After Eight said: ""Did the cast wait on stage to allow Pence to respond, and then "converse" with him? Moreover, even if they had, their ambush was prepared in advance; Pence would have had to answer extemporaneously. Not exactly an even playing-field for that purported "conversation."

The whole episode was a disgrace, as are the efforts to cover up what it actually was."



first of all, he'd already left the room. it's not like you can talk to someone if you aren't sharing space with them.

second, why is it not surprising that you support fascist dictatorships?

After Eight defending the side of an administration that wants to spin the world backwards to a culture that never actually existed in the first place is the least surprising development.

I really have been trying to be positive...but this feels like the arts in general are just going to go back to being an afterthought--as it has been in previous administrations.

Of course they are. That fate had already been determined Nov. 9. The funny thing about all this hand-wringing about Hamilton being the harbinger of doom to the arts and to theatre is the short-sightedness in this sort of knee-jerk reaction. Oh no! A softball statement to a really evil politician MIGHT cause the defunding or a lack of funding to the likes of which we'd already expect whether a softball statement was or was not made. A potential boycott of the show from those who either 1) have already seen it or 2) really didn't plan to see it is inconsequential. Those who planned to see it and choose to boycott it because of a softball statement will likely 1) cause no material losses in the show's weekly earnings and 2) cause no material losses to arts funding that wasn't already planned by those with the actual power to regulate funding. The idea that this show is responsible for all theatre or arts in the country (or that making a softball statement holds such power) is as ridiculous as the duplicitous crap Trump tweets of the fictitious After Eight posts. It's actually more likely to cause those who donate to the arts to double their efforts in support.

He's trying to make it extremely uncomfortable (and even dangerous) for ANYONE to speak up against him

Absolutely.

Updated On: 11/21/16 at 02:06 PM