#151
Posted: 5/1/12 at 9:39am
Basically it means LOF will lose even more money if they keep it open.
Paige was the biggest ommision IMO.
Paige was the biggest ommision IMO.
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#152
Posted: 5/1/12 at 9:39am
Woha so there were so many random nominees here that I am
Kind of in shock. I am so upset that Elena Roger was not nominated, but I love Laura Osnes... I can't believe Once got so many nominations. I honestly don't like or get that show at all. Roger or Perers should have been nominated over Milioti. in my book, and Spider-Man should have gotten a nomination for lighting over Once. I cannot believe Leap of Faith was nominated over Ghost, Spider-Man, and Bonnie and Clyde. I am so happy for Laura Osnes thou. Totally unexpected, but totally deserved. Pretty upset by the best score nominees as well
Kind of in shock. I am so upset that Elena Roger was not nominated, but I love Laura Osnes... I can't believe Once got so many nominations. I honestly don't like or get that show at all. Roger or Perers should have been nominated over Milioti. in my book, and Spider-Man should have gotten a nomination for lighting over Once. I cannot believe Leap of Faith was nominated over Ghost, Spider-Man, and Bonnie and Clyde. I am so happy for Laura Osnes thou. Totally unexpected, but totally deserved. Pretty upset by the best score nominees as well
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#153
Posted: 5/1/12 at 9:45am
so what I have learned:
you can have a pretty bad show but if we want to shaft the brits we'll put you in the best musical category
you can show up to half of your performances and still get a tony nod (josh young)
no one likes godspell.
you can have a pretty bad show but if we want to shaft the brits we'll put you in the best musical category
you can show up to half of your performances and still get a tony nod (josh young)
no one likes godspell.
#154
Posted: 5/1/12 at 9:45am
I was already planning to see Leap of Faith tonight. Looks like I'm in for a treat. It'll be nice to watch some excited actors.
I didn't go through all seven pages of this thread (Who has the time?) but has anyone mentioned that Leap of Faith's nomination is probably the same thing that happened a couple of years ago with Cry-Baby? The nominating board hated Young Frankenstein so much that they would give the 4th slot to anything else.
I think there was a similar Spider-Man shut out here. And of the remaining contenders, it's hard to argue with Alan Menken and Raul Esparza.
I didn't go through all seven pages of this thread (Who has the time?) but has anyone mentioned that Leap of Faith's nomination is probably the same thing that happened a couple of years ago with Cry-Baby? The nominating board hated Young Frankenstein so much that they would give the 4th slot to anything else.
I think there was a similar Spider-Man shut out here. And of the remaining contenders, it's hard to argue with Alan Menken and Raul Esparza.
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#155
Posted: 5/1/12 at 9:46am
Just looked at the list again... How in God's name was McLane not nominated for either of his beautiful scenic designs for Follies or Nice Work?
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#156
Posted: 5/1/12 at 9:48am
Congrats to Andrew Garfield
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#157
Posted: 5/1/12 at 9:48am
I don't understan, if they hated the remaining shows so much why not just have 3 nominees?
#158
Posted: 5/1/12 at 9:48am
I still think the worst snub is Tyne Daly for Master Class, followed by Larroquette for The Best Man. He clearly deserved a nom over JEJ.
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#159
Posted: 5/1/12 at 9:49am
Congrats to Jessie Mueller! She deserved it.
#160
Posted: 5/1/12 at 9:53am
Happy about Borle and Corden. But surprised Corden's ONE MAN, TWO GOVs show was snubbed. Also glad Jones or anybody else was tapped over Alan Rickman.
#161
Posted: 5/1/12 at 9:54am
I wish Terri White was nom'd over Jayne, and think Jennifer Laura Thompson and Williams from P&B deserved nom's over Jayne and D'aVine.
I'm very surprised by the lighting of Evita not being nom'd. I thought it was one of the best things of the production.
I'm most sad about Ghost not getting a score nom. It was not a great show, but the score is lovely. I do think there was enough good work in this category to have four nominees for musical and another category for music in a play if that was needed.
James Earl Jones getting a nom as best actor for a supporting role is a real headscratcher.
I'm very surprised by the lighting of Evita not being nom'd. I thought it was one of the best things of the production.
I'm most sad about Ghost not getting a score nom. It was not a great show, but the score is lovely. I do think there was enough good work in this category to have four nominees for musical and another category for music in a play if that was needed.
James Earl Jones getting a nom as best actor for a supporting role is a real headscratcher.
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#162
Posted: 5/1/12 at 9:54am
I was wondering the same thing Frogs. It's similar to when INTO THE WOODS won best book and best score but didn't win best musical, although that can be explained not only by the runaway success of PHANTOM but the fact that Prince's direction of PHANTOM made it a satisfying - and some might say brilliant - spectacle. Still, one might wonder how a show can have the best book and score - which INTO THE WOODS clearly did - and not be the best musical.
Frankly, it suggests that perhaps should be two awards - best new musical and best production of a new musical (or perhaps best production of a musical, new or revival). And the same for play. This could also spread the wealth in terms of sales both in NY and on tours, which as we know is one of the most important considerations - right or wrong - at the Tonys.
Frankly, it suggests that perhaps should be two awards - best new musical and best production of a new musical (or perhaps best production of a musical, new or revival). And the same for play. This could also spread the wealth in terms of sales both in NY and on tours, which as we know is one of the most important considerations - right or wrong - at the Tonys.
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#163
Posted: 5/1/12 at 9:56am
I didn't go through all seven pages of this thread (Who has the time?) but has anyone mentioned that Leap of Faith's nomination is probably the same thing that happened a couple of years ago with Cry-Baby?
But it is not the same thing. Cry-Baby had more nominations to back it up. Plus, most thought that Catered Affair was a certain thing over Cry-Baby. We had no "Catered Affair" this year - maybe B&C would be the closest thing, but Catered Affair was still open by the time of nominations.
But it is not the same thing. Cry-Baby had more nominations to back it up. Plus, most thought that Catered Affair was a certain thing over Cry-Baby. We had no "Catered Affair" this year - maybe B&C would be the closest thing, but Catered Affair was still open by the time of nominations.
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#164
Posted: 5/1/12 at 9:56am
Vespertine...I don't think that anyone mentioned Cry-Baby in this thread, but it was brought up in another one about the possible 4th Best Musical nomination. My point was that if they could nominate Cry-Baby during 2007-2008, they certainly could nominate Bonnie and Clyde this year. I'm sure that Cry-Baby was also nominated for Best Choreography, Best Book of a Musical, and Best Original Score.
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#165
Posted: 5/1/12 at 10:01am
Curtain Critic just published a post on how they think Leap of Faith got the nod:
"So put yourself in the shoes of a theater owner or producer outside of New York looking for a hit in your new touring season. You’ve got your 3 obvious nominees: Once, Nice Work, and Newsies. But you have to pick 4. Your other options are Spiderman, Ghost, Leap of Faith, Bonnie & Clyde or Lysistrata Jones. Ghost and Spiderman are both so technically complex and expensive that it complicates their touring prospects. Lysistrata Jones failed to find an audience on Broadway and closed after just 30 regular performances. Bonnie & Clyde didn’t last much longer. Leap of Faith has a broad theme that’s easy to connect to for most of America and a likeable score by Alan Menken. Check."
http://blog.curtaincritic.com/post/22191443629/how-leap-of-faith-got-that-wildcard-best-musical-tony
"So put yourself in the shoes of a theater owner or producer outside of New York looking for a hit in your new touring season. You’ve got your 3 obvious nominees: Once, Nice Work, and Newsies. But you have to pick 4. Your other options are Spiderman, Ghost, Leap of Faith, Bonnie & Clyde or Lysistrata Jones. Ghost and Spiderman are both so technically complex and expensive that it complicates their touring prospects. Lysistrata Jones failed to find an audience on Broadway and closed after just 30 regular performances. Bonnie & Clyde didn’t last much longer. Leap of Faith has a broad theme that’s easy to connect to for most of America and a likeable score by Alan Menken. Check."
http://blog.curtaincritic.com/post/22191443629/how-leap-of-faith-got-that-wildcard-best-musical-tony
#166
Posted: 5/1/12 at 10:01am
"Is there a precedent for a show receiving just one nomination and it being for Best Play or Best Musical?
I'm baffled how something can be nominated in that category without having any technical components or actors that are worthy of nomination. Is someone going to argue a "whole greater than its parts" theory?"
Since clearly I'm not the only one who is unclear of the category, I'll ask again. Does "Best Play" mean that this is the best written play, regardless of the production? Or does it really mean "Best PRODUCTION of a play"? And does "Best Musical" mean that it has the best score, lyrics, and book without regard to how good the scenery, costumes, and even acting and directing were? It would seem to explain a lot. Clearly a category like "Best Revival of . . ." would HAVE to be based on those other things, but I honestly question if Best Play is really only about the "written word" -- especially since the playwright is the one mentioned with it and not the producers, director, or anyone else. I can find no clarification of this matter on the Tony website.
I'm baffled how something can be nominated in that category without having any technical components or actors that are worthy of nomination. Is someone going to argue a "whole greater than its parts" theory?"
Since clearly I'm not the only one who is unclear of the category, I'll ask again. Does "Best Play" mean that this is the best written play, regardless of the production? Or does it really mean "Best PRODUCTION of a play"? And does "Best Musical" mean that it has the best score, lyrics, and book without regard to how good the scenery, costumes, and even acting and directing were? It would seem to explain a lot. Clearly a category like "Best Revival of . . ." would HAVE to be based on those other things, but I honestly question if Best Play is really only about the "written word" -- especially since the playwright is the one mentioned with it and not the producers, director, or anyone else. I can find no clarification of this matter on the Tony website.
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#167
Posted: 5/1/12 at 10:05am
McClane's set designs for NICE WORK did not look half as impressive in reality as they did in those mock ups. That mansion set is just awkward, mainly the weird staircase, and looks like something my regional theatre might have.
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#168
Posted: 5/1/12 at 10:07am
The Best Play and Best Musical and Revival awards go to the producers. The award goes to that that specific production of the show, not to its text or score or either or both. The award is for the overall production.
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#169
Posted: 5/1/12 at 10:09am
Like many of you, I'm also surprised that Leap of Faith pulled out a Best Musical nomination with no recognition in other categories. I also think that this puts them in a difficult situation financially. As of the grosses yesterday, they were bleeding money. Now, I'd assume, they'll pull to stay open through June. Has a show ever been open at the time it was nominated for Best Musical and closed before the actual awards ceremony?
#170
Posted: 5/1/12 at 10:10am
About the "One Man, Two Guvnors" not making the Best Play list.
I think that the only explanation is that the Tony voters thought that "One Man, Two Guvnors" is more of an adaptation of Goldoni's "Master of Two Servants" and not so much an original play written by Richard Bean. Bean have added many things to Goldoni's play, but it's still more of an adaptation/translation than an original play. That's why they announced a couple of days ago that it would be eligible in the Best Play category and not in the Best Revival of a Play. Obviously there were many that felt it belonged to the latter category.
I think that the only explanation is that the Tony voters thought that "One Man, Two Guvnors" is more of an adaptation of Goldoni's "Master of Two Servants" and not so much an original play written by Richard Bean. Bean have added many things to Goldoni's play, but it's still more of an adaptation/translation than an original play. That's why they announced a couple of days ago that it would be eligible in the Best Play category and not in the Best Revival of a Play. Obviously there were many that felt it belonged to the latter category.
#171
Posted: 5/1/12 at 10:10am
I didn't like Elaine Paige's performance at all, but I thought she would get nominated just for being Elaine Paige. Very surprised that Tyne Daly was overlooked, even if Master Class was selected over Streetcar.
On the Leap of Faith note, it doesn't surprise me. I thought it would be Ghost, but last night I was thinking that the last few years they've nominated shows that we all discounted - Million Dollar Quartet, Rock of Ages, Cry Baby, maybe even Xanadu.
On the Leap of Faith note, it doesn't surprise me. I thought it would be Ghost, but last night I was thinking that the last few years they've nominated shows that we all discounted - Million Dollar Quartet, Rock of Ages, Cry Baby, maybe even Xanadu.
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#172
Posted: 5/1/12 at 10:12am
Xanadu was a sure thing, love. It got glowing reviews.
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#173
Posted: 5/1/12 at 10:13am
But who knows what the voters actually vote for. Certainly the score / book / acting / tech / whatever influences the vote. Which makes the Revival categories rather biased in perspective.
Julie was snubbed.
Julie was snubbed.
#174
Posted: 5/1/12 at 10:18am
WHERE THE HELL IS TYNE DALY? She was mesmerizing!
#175
Posted: 5/1/12 at 10:22am
"So put yourself in the shoes of a theater owner or producer outside of New York looking for a hit in your new touring season."
Unfortunately...not like it is a big surprise or been spoken about before...the Tony awards are therefore not about shows really being "best" in their catagory - just most likely to make money on the road because they have the Tony Award brand on them.
This just makes the Tony Awards a JOKE because they are about a 'logo' and not what the award catagory is labeled.
Unfortunately...not like it is a big surprise or been spoken about before...the Tony awards are therefore not about shows really being "best" in their catagory - just most likely to make money on the road because they have the Tony Award brand on them.
This just makes the Tony Awards a JOKE because they are about a 'logo' and not what the award catagory is labeled.
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