Scott Rudin takedown - Page 5

[unclevictor]

Posted: 4/8/21 at 9:51am

And why hasn’t broadwayworld or playbill.com or any of the other theatre sites, covered this story?

[Bettyboy72]

Posted: 4/8/21 at 9:51am

The other issue is now he is on notice. This gives his current and future employees a little more leverage. His behavior exceeds harassment at this point. It’s abuse. He’s inflicting trauma on others and there is a paper trail. If he wants to continue in the same way from this point on, he’s asking to be destroyed. However I don’t think he has the desire or ability to change.

Personally, I don’t think he’ll be able to change at this point. His inability to regulate his emotions and act maturely would take a great deal of rehabilitation. When you are at the point of hurting people and throwing things at them, you get inpatient rehab or jail. They lock up teenagers for doing that.

[romain2]

Posted: 4/8/21 at 9:57am

Rudin's behavior WAS and IS not acceptable behavior. No one has a right to treat anyone in an emotionally or physically abusive manner. Yes, not even hotshot guys who win Tonys and Oscars. Blaming the assistants who took these jobs is enabling bad and horrible behavior. Rudin is the one who needs to apologize publicly and privately. His assistants did nothing wrong. And boycotting his shows will only hurt the many financially strapped people working hard on his shows. It's up to HIM to work on his horrific behavior.

I once had the misfortune of sitting in the same row with Rudin at an off-Broadway show. He and his friend talked, muttered, snorted during the entire first half. I made eye contact with him and shushed him. The woman in front of him also turned around and told him to quiet himself. He got up and left. Thankfully. That wasn't the behavior of a man who truly loves theater and respects his fellow artists.

 

[poisonivy2]

Posted: 4/8/21 at 10:09am

unclevictor said: "And why hasn’t broadwayworld or playbill.com or any of the other theatre sites, covered this story?"

Because BWW and Playbill unfortunately need him to buy ads for his shows. 

[binau]

Posted: 4/8/21 at 10:45am

I agree that Scott Rudin's behaviour is unacceptable and should be stopped but it really is hard to know exactly what we can or should do...we can talk about boycotting his work but the sad reality is that Scott Rudin produces some of the highest art available to us - and without critical mass it feels like what boycotting this work really does is simply deprive ourselves from this art without doing anything. I also don't want to blame sites such as playbill.com or BWW for not covering the story - if they are afraid of the consequences it kind of reflects the wider problem here and they are also somewhat victims in this systemic mess. I do kind of wish someone like or especially Bette Midler could provide some guidance and leadership - she has worked with him, she has the followers, she is at a point in her career where she probably doesn't 'need' Scott Rudin anymore (cf. everyone else who might be afraid of standing up). Her twitter is full of posts speaking out against various issues. What does Bette Midler think about this issue?

[James885]

Posted: 4/8/21 at 12:33pm

poisonivy2 said: "unclevictor said: "And why hasn’t broadwayworld or playbill.com or any of the other theatre sites, covered this story?"

Because BWW and Playbill unfortunately need him to buy ads for his shows."

Yeah I think the fact that it hasn't been mentioned at all on either BWW or Playbill - or several other theatre sites - speaks volumes as to the vice grip that Rudin has on the theatre industry.

[CarlosAlberto]

Posted: 4/8/21 at 12:54pm

Wow! Scott Rudin is a douchebag. I'm an executive assistant and I would never, ever tolerate any kind of disrespect from one of my directors and if I were working for Rudin and he came at me with that level of bullsh!t and disrespect or if he attacked me with any kind of office equipment and injured me I would have sued  his sorry @ss from here to next Tuesday but not before beating the living cr@p out of him. 

Updated On: 4/8/21 at 12:54 PM

[CarlosAlberto]

Posted: 4/8/21 at 1:07pm

Another wow: "Several sources say that the victim of the computer monitor incident received three associate producing credits in addition to a monetary settlement." So, he sold his dignity, self respect and soul to the devil. So sorry, not sorry but the victim became part of the problem by agreeing to this and enabling Rudin to engage in this kind of behavior. I'm pretty sure there are others, and if they accepted "special credits" or "hush money' then they seriously need to STFU. 

Updated On: 4/8/21 at 01:07 PM

[Alex Kulak2]

Posted: 4/8/21 at 1:09pm

James885 said: "poisonivy2 said: "unclevictor said: "And why hasn’t broadwayworld or playbill.com or any of the other theatre sites, covered this story?"

Because BWW and Playbill unfortunately need him to buy ads for his shows."

Yeah I think the fact that it hasn't been mentioned at all on either BWW or Playbill - or several other theatre sites - speaks volumes as to the vice grip that Rudin has on the theatre industry."

I already saw a TikTok pointing this out. For younger people in the theatre community, the news sites' silence is speaking volumes.

[joevitus]

Posted: 4/8/21 at 1:26pm

binau said: "I agree that Scott Rudin's behaviour is unacceptable and should be stopped but it really is hard to know exactly what we can or should do...we can talk about boycotting his work but the sad reality is that Scott Rudin produces some of the highest art available to us - and without critical mass it feels like what boycotting this work really does is simply deprive ourselves from this art without doing anything."

So do people eat at Chick-fil-A anyway because not doing so won't drive them out of business? I just don't get the argument. One boycott someone because one disapproves of their actions. It may or may not financially hurt them--the hope is, it will--but one has taken a moral stand on an issue one feel passionate about. Which is what "cancelling" is supposed to be about.

Do people feel passionate about the wrongness of Rudin's behavior, or are they just bloviating online? (I am not accusing you personally of bloviating--I've never seen such behavior from you; it's a general question).

 

[JBroadway]

Posted: 4/8/21 at 1:45pm

Is it even legally possible to remove him from the Music Man? It's his project. It's not like there's a board of directors that can fire him. So how would that even work? Genuinely asking! 

[poisonivy2]

Posted: 4/8/21 at 1:49pm

FWIW Scott Rudin seems to have been memory-holed from the Music Man website.

ETA: Anthony Rapp is now tweeting about this.

https://twitter.com/albinokid/status/1380216157421113344?s=20

Updated On: 4/8/21 at 01:49 PM

[LizzieCurry]

Posted: 4/8/21 at 1:58pm

https://twitter.com/jacobdharen/status/1380033670535319555

[DiscoCrows]

Posted: 4/8/21 at 2:17pm

Was pleasantly surprised to see it reported on closer to the top of this morning's BroadwayBriefing, though I'd wager most people reading the newsletter regularly are pretty tapped into the situation, or have been for years now. My gut tells me things won't change and that it's not enough traction, but it's a start. So much respect for those who spoke out to THR.

[JBroadway]

Posted: 4/8/21 at 2:55pm

https://www.broadwayworld.com/article/Former-Employees-of-Broadway-Producer-Scott-Rudin-Share-Workplace-Abuse-Experiences-20210408

[Matt Rogers]

Posted: 4/8/21 at 2:59pm

castlestreet said: "This entire thread is so hypocritical.

You go to his shows, watch his movies, and support his enablers- all the performers we all love who have read the same articles and heard all the same rumors.

You want to take him down - cancel his enablers and stop patronizing his products.

But that won’t happen, as one of you already alluded to regarding The Music Man.

But responding “ew” and “truly delusional” to me on a message board for stating the obvious will certainly bring about the change you all claim to be seeking."

Mr. Rudin, I presume?

[DiscoCrows]

Posted: 4/8/21 at 3:05pm

https://twitter.com/PattiMurin/status/1380233990465011713?s=20

[JBroadway]

Posted: 4/8/21 at 3:09pm

@Matt Rogers - your little quip doesn't make much sense, considering castlestreet is personally boycotting Scott Rudin's work, and encouraging others to do the same, and is even encouraging people to boycott the people who work with Rudin.

Again, I disagree with castlestreet's mentality of victim-blaming, and some of his more crass comments on this topic. But he's made it quite clear that he doesn't have any sympathy for Rudin himself. 

[PianoMann]

Posted: 4/8/21 at 3:12pm

Robert King (RKing618)– creator of The Good Wife, The Good Fight, and Evil – has tweeted a number of times on this yesterday and today; Evil did a great episode about a demonic theatre producer last season, played by John Glover, and it was obvious who influenced the idea.

[CarlosAlberto]

Posted: 4/8/21 at 3:20pm

DiscoCrows said: "https://twitter.com/PattiMurin/status/1380233990465011713?s=20"

Patti who?

[DiscoCrows]

Posted: 4/8/21 at 3:29pm

CarlosAlberto said: "DiscoCrows said: "https://twitter.com/PattiMurin/status/1380233990465011713?s=20"

Patti who?"

I realize not everyone here is head over heels for her, but regardless of anything that may have happened/been said in the past I am glad she is speaking out.

Updated On: 4/8/21 at 03:29 PM

[hearthemsing22]

Posted: 4/8/21 at 3:36pm

romain2 said: "Rudin's behavior WAS and IS not acceptable behavior. No one has a right to treat anyone in an emotionally or physically abusive manner. Yes, not even hotshot guys who win Tonys and Oscars. Blaming the assistants who took these jobs is enabling bad and horrible behavior. Rudin is the one who needs to apologize publicly and privately. His assistants did nothing wrong. And boycotting his shows will only hurt the many financially strapped people working hard on his shows. It's up to HIM to work on his horrific behavior.

I once had the misfortune of sitting in the same row with Rudin at an off-Broadway show. He and his friend talked, muttered, snorted during the entire first half. I made eye contact with him and shushed him. The woman in front of him also turned around and told him to quiet himself. He got up and left. Thankfully. That wasn't the behavior of a man who truly loves theater and respects his fellow artists.

"

I don't care how many awards someone has won-I'm saying this because I agree with you. From the moment they first display despicable behavior they should be OUT. No exceptions. It's not OKAY. 

[Call_me_jorge]

Posted: 4/8/21 at 3:43pm

I wonder if Betsy Wolfe has anything to say, especially after she was suddenly let go from the 2018 revival of Carousel.... hmmm

Updated On: 4/8/21 at 03:43 PM

[romain2]

Posted: 4/8/21 at 3:44pm

Hearthemsing22 replied to me: I don't care how many awards someone has won-I'm saying this because I agree with you. From the moment they first display despicable behavior they should be OUT. No exceptions. It's not OKAY.

Yes, I am in total agreement with you. Thanks!

I had a relatively minor experience (compared to what Rudin's assistants went through) working on a community theater production a while back. I learned the hard way that the director treated his tech crew like garbage. He swore at us and called us names and made fun of us. I spoke out against him. But it was amazing how members of the cast took me aside and said "hey you need to develop a thicker skin" and "oh, that's just him." So it became my fault and the fault of the other people working hard without pay? It was very eye-opening about how people bend over backwards to protect bullies with power.

 

Updated On: 4/8/21 at 03:44 PM

[Sutton Ross]

Posted: 4/8/21 at 4:08pm

CarlosAlberto said: "DiscoCrows said: "https://twitter.com/PattiMurin/status/1380233990465011713?s=20"

Patti who?"

Patti Murin, the awesome woman who spoke out and made this board safer especially for women. Patti who kicks ass on Broadway and has an awesome husband and a warrior Daughter? There is no possible way you can put a woman like that down. She is the epitome of kindness. 

Nope. 

 

Updated On: 4/8/21 at 04:08 PM