Scott Rudin takedown — Page 4

SouthernCakes said: "I can’t image Hugh dropping out but maybe they remove Rudin’s name from everything?"

That I think would actually make the most sense. If for nothing else, it would be a great way to let everyone else involve keep their jobs.

David10086 said: "These employees who suffered physical abuse and injury from him (and later sought medical attention) - did any of them do the logical thing and file police reports against him? Nothing is said in the article."

Unfortunately the NYPD is very unsympathetic to men who suffer from physical abuse. I'm not surprised they stayed quiet.

Assuming this does not just fade away as a controversy (sadly, a possibility), I agree this is not just removing his name. He can't be the producer. I doubt he has any skin in the game so that's not an issue. It's the profit he won't walk away from but all other things being equal there are ways of working that out. Hide and watch. As someone said above, there could be a run on the popcorn stand.

No one is not seeing MMan bc rudin is attached.

Updated On: 4/7/21 at 11:01 PM

massofmen, that's hyperbolic. The article may not make a significant dent in any of his current/future projects, but it's simply impossible to say no one is avoiding his shows because of who he is.

David10086 said: "These employees who suffered physical abuse and injury from him (and later sought medical attention) - did any of them do the logical thing and file police reports against him? Nothing is said in the article."

The article mentions settlements and non-disclosure/non-disparagement clauses being signed. Add in that this message board isn't the only place you'll hear "you knew what you were signing up for, so it's your fault" and many of these young folks will be quickly discouraged from standing up for themselves.

Everyone involved with his productions knows that he is a difficult, abusive asshole, even if he has been a prince to them personally. The theatre owners know. The investors know. The stars know. The ensemble knows. His billionaire producing partners Barry Diller & David Geffen know.

I really do not think this changes anything, unfortunately. If criminal activity starts coming out akin to Weinstein, that's a different story, but so far this is not worse than the despicable things that were already public knowledge about Rudin.

Hugh Jackman is the only one involved with Music Man with the weight to demand that Rudin remove himself from the production (physically and financially) –– and it seems doubtful that a close friend of Ivanka & Jared's would suddenly be offended by Rudin's behavior. But weirder things have happened.

It's a ****ty situation.

Let's also take a moment to applaud those who came forward to speak on and off the record.

ErmengardeStopSniveling said: "It's not like he has a sterling track record for ROI...sure, plenty have recouped, but none of his investors havebeen involved with just the winners (as you no doubt know). And most other producers in town are more cuddly towards their co-producers than Rudin."

What you say is true and what I said was a little simplistic. I do think, in general, that what he offers his investors is a reasonable prospect of a return married with a project that is going to feel "classy." (In contrast to shows that are one or the other.) I think if something feels like it is going to get ugly and/or end up losing money for reasons that are external, that's not going to sit well. Will this happen? Who knows? It's hard to say what is going to build a head of steam.

I'm not sure anyone is excusing his behavior - people are just saying its not new, and that MANY people have been aware of it for a loong time - none choosing to do anything about it. Without legal issues, it likely won't make any difference. Most people that enjoy both film and b'way STILL won't know. Heck, by and large, most couldn't even name 2 producers yet alone care.

ErmengardeStopSniveling said: "Everyone involved with his productions knows that he is a difficult, abusive asshole, even if he has been a prince to them personally. The theatre owners know. The investors know. The stars know. The ensemble knows. His billionaire producing partners Barry Diller & David Geffen know.

I really do not think this changes anything, unfortunately. If criminal activity starts coming out akin toWeinstein, that's a different story, but so far this is not worse than the despicablethings that were already public knowledgeabout Rudin."

I think what this changes is that it's now out there, published, on record, meaning anyone who works with Rudin will have to answer for it. Yes, pretty much everyone who has worked with him before has known all this already. But they could always say "oh, no, I had no idea any of this was going on, it was just rumors" when confronted about it, regardless of whether they actually knew about it or not. But now, with it out in the open, published, with sources, there's no way they can make that excuse again. Again, drawing from the Weinstein example, everyone knew for years he was doing this but kept working with him anyway. But it wasn't until someone formally came forward that he became off limits to work with, because they knew there was no more hiding from it. So I'm not saying that's for sure going to happen with Rudin, but it definitely could detract more folks from working with and investing with him, because this will now have more of an impact on their own reputation if they do so.