#276
Posted: 5/15/07 at 2:26pm
it makes me angry the pirate queen didnt get a nomination for choreography. they def. deserved one 
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#277
Posted: 5/15/07 at 2:29pm
Melchior is supposed to be somewhat sly.
Who are you to say who Melchior is supposed to be? Are you the director?
We get it. You dislike SPRING AWAKENING. The bottom line is, though, that in terms of Best Musical, you are in the minority. Every critic and theatre columnist has embraced SPRING AWAKENING. To say that the race is between SPRING AWAKENING and GREY GARDENS is a joke. GREY GARDENS is the least likely nominee of the four to win Best Musical. It has zero future beyond Broadway and beyond Ebersole. SPRING, POPPINS, and CURTAINS all can do well to varying degrees beyond Broadway. If I had to narrow it down to two, I would say it's between SPRING and POPPINS. Only POPPINS won't tour, because it's "technically" impossible to bring from theatre to theatre. CURTAINS is a complete misfire, and without David Hyde Pierce headlining a tour (which won't happen), it might be able to spout out a year of 3/4 way full houses. SPRING has years and years ahead of it on Broadway and on tour, not to mention that it is the most unique, innovative show to hit Broadway this season. The SPRING AWAKENING cast recording has been at the top of the Billboard charts since it debuted. People all over are listening to it, enjoying it and spreading the word about it. The Tony performance and multiple Tony wins will only feed this. You can spread all the hate that you want for SPRING AWAKENING all over this board and go on and on about how it did nothing for you, but that's not going to change its future at the Tony Awards and for years to come. GREY GARDENS is a one-shot deal, and its a shot that doesn't even completely hit the mark.
Who are you to say who Melchior is supposed to be? Are you the director?
We get it. You dislike SPRING AWAKENING. The bottom line is, though, that in terms of Best Musical, you are in the minority. Every critic and theatre columnist has embraced SPRING AWAKENING. To say that the race is between SPRING AWAKENING and GREY GARDENS is a joke. GREY GARDENS is the least likely nominee of the four to win Best Musical. It has zero future beyond Broadway and beyond Ebersole. SPRING, POPPINS, and CURTAINS all can do well to varying degrees beyond Broadway. If I had to narrow it down to two, I would say it's between SPRING and POPPINS. Only POPPINS won't tour, because it's "technically" impossible to bring from theatre to theatre. CURTAINS is a complete misfire, and without David Hyde Pierce headlining a tour (which won't happen), it might be able to spout out a year of 3/4 way full houses. SPRING has years and years ahead of it on Broadway and on tour, not to mention that it is the most unique, innovative show to hit Broadway this season. The SPRING AWAKENING cast recording has been at the top of the Billboard charts since it debuted. People all over are listening to it, enjoying it and spreading the word about it. The Tony performance and multiple Tony wins will only feed this. You can spread all the hate that you want for SPRING AWAKENING all over this board and go on and on about how it did nothing for you, but that's not going to change its future at the Tony Awards and for years to come. GREY GARDENS is a one-shot deal, and its a shot that doesn't even completely hit the mark.
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#278
Posted: 5/15/07 at 2:30pm
Ok - so question. Legally Blond was nominated for best book, and best score, yet didn't get a nom. for best musical. Mary Poppins got neither of the former but did get a nom. for best musical.
Does this not make sense to anyone else?
Aida WON best lighting design, best scenic design, best score, best actress and was nominated for best costumes. They didn't get a best musical nomination either. It happens quite frequently.
But I'm betting the producers will lobby hard for it, since it's the biggest B.O. grosser of the new musicals this year.
Um, that would be Mary Poppins, not Legally Blonde.
Melchior rapes Wendla in the play. Steven Sater has blurred the lines a bit, which is great I think. It takes some brain power to piece it all together. And you still leave questioning and wondering.
That's definitely not great; there are dozens of fangirls that wholeheartedly believe Melchior and Wendla "make love", which totally defeats the purpose of the entire plotline. Clearly something that requires brain power is too much for some of these people to figure out.
Les Mis probably didn't get any nominations because the committee was pissed off they extended from their "Oh, it's just a celebration revival!" into a full-fledged run and will be hogging the Broadhurst well through the next decade.
Does this not make sense to anyone else?
Aida WON best lighting design, best scenic design, best score, best actress and was nominated for best costumes. They didn't get a best musical nomination either. It happens quite frequently.
But I'm betting the producers will lobby hard for it, since it's the biggest B.O. grosser of the new musicals this year.
Um, that would be Mary Poppins, not Legally Blonde.
Melchior rapes Wendla in the play. Steven Sater has blurred the lines a bit, which is great I think. It takes some brain power to piece it all together. And you still leave questioning and wondering.
That's definitely not great; there are dozens of fangirls that wholeheartedly believe Melchior and Wendla "make love", which totally defeats the purpose of the entire plotline. Clearly something that requires brain power is too much for some of these people to figure out.
Les Mis probably didn't get any nominations because the committee was pissed off they extended from their "Oh, it's just a celebration revival!" into a full-fledged run and will be hogging the Broadhurst well through the next decade.
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#279
Posted: 5/15/07 at 2:30pm
I don't blame Davie personally. I think Michael Greif is to blame for not going to work on that character after the criticism it received in the Off-Broadway mounting for not believably transitioning to Ebersole's Little Edie in Act II.
Foster, I had no idea that the show received the same criticism Off-Broadway. That is a shame. Still even if he had done the character work necessary, the flaws in the book still keep the show from working as a cohesive whole. They should have started act one at the end of the current act one and gone from there. The Beale's downfall would have been a much more fascinating exploration.
Foster, I had no idea that the show received the same criticism Off-Broadway. That is a shame. Still even if he had done the character work necessary, the flaws in the book still keep the show from working as a cohesive whole. They should have started act one at the end of the current act one and gone from there. The Beale's downfall would have been a much more fascinating exploration.
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#280
Posted: 5/15/07 at 2:34pm
Pulling the knives out of my back for suggesting months ago that Cheno might not deserve or get a nom.
Ah, that feels good.
She can be a teriffic performer but THE APPLE TREE was not her shining moment. (I know the critics loved her)
I do wish Block would have got her slot though.
Ah, that feels good.
She can be a teriffic performer but THE APPLE TREE was not her shining moment. (I know the critics loved her)
I do wish Block would have got her slot though.
#281
Posted: 5/15/07 at 2:34pm
OK, I've seen both Spring Awakening and Gray Gardens, so I'm not in the blind with what I'm saying. Spring Awakening had SO MUCH depth to it if you actually looked past the surface of the show. This may seem like a bit of a shock, but if you're not a complete moron and actually WATCH the show you will pick up on all of it. Gray Gardens would suck if it weren't for Ebersole. Once she is gone that show is done. I'll take bets on that one.
#282
Posted: 5/15/07 at 2:37pm
Wow. A lot of surprises this year.
I was surprised to see Groff's name, but even more surprised (and happy) to see Lee's, and realize that Short was the one who was snubbed. I felt like the final spot would come down to Lee and Groff, and I felt Lee deserved it. While Short may have deserved it a bit more, I'm not upset. Does everyone who feels that Groff doesn't deserve it, that it should have gone to Short, or someone else? IMO, if you're gonna be upset about a nomination, you have to have someone who you think is more deserving. I wonder if Martin Short closing a little while ago had an effect on Short not getting the nom.
Mary Poppins over Blonde and Lovemusik for Best Musical. Wow. I haven't seen LoveMusik or Blonde yet, but I do love Mary Poppins, and can't say I'm upset. It's interesting though that people thought voters would predict SA by not nominating LB, but that nominating MP has the same effect. Still, I think there's too much of a Disney backlash for MP to take it, but maybe I'm not considering the politics/voters. I hope they give a kick ass performance and are able to show off their awesome set.
Bundy over Chenoweth. Didn't see either of course, but this is very interesting considering who Bundy's part was originally written for. Maybe people feel like Kristin is just being Kristin and that she's already been recognized for that in the past?
Since people thought McMartin would take a political win, I'm glad he wasn't nominated, it was a nothing part anyway. Do you guys think Gallagher might be the favorite now?
Yay for the Journey's End love. I knew Dancy wouldn't get nominated, but still a little disappointed. But yay for Boyd and a surprise nod for Stark!
Yay for Julie White and Little Dog Laughed, nice to see a closed show get some of that recognition.
Yay for John Collum.
I agree with Bill T. Jones and SA--I personally think that choreography was a bit more for the name than for the actual choroegraphy.
HF's set nomination is well-deserved, but there's no way it's beating the astounding set of Mary Poppins.
I'm glad both Ehle and Plimpton were recognized for Utopia, and Hawke and Crudup as well.
I think it's a little more set that Utopia will take most of the play awards, but even with MP looming, I still think it will be the year for SA.
I was surprised to see Groff's name, but even more surprised (and happy) to see Lee's, and realize that Short was the one who was snubbed. I felt like the final spot would come down to Lee and Groff, and I felt Lee deserved it. While Short may have deserved it a bit more, I'm not upset. Does everyone who feels that Groff doesn't deserve it, that it should have gone to Short, or someone else? IMO, if you're gonna be upset about a nomination, you have to have someone who you think is more deserving. I wonder if Martin Short closing a little while ago had an effect on Short not getting the nom.
Mary Poppins over Blonde and Lovemusik for Best Musical. Wow. I haven't seen LoveMusik or Blonde yet, but I do love Mary Poppins, and can't say I'm upset. It's interesting though that people thought voters would predict SA by not nominating LB, but that nominating MP has the same effect. Still, I think there's too much of a Disney backlash for MP to take it, but maybe I'm not considering the politics/voters. I hope they give a kick ass performance and are able to show off their awesome set.
Bundy over Chenoweth. Didn't see either of course, but this is very interesting considering who Bundy's part was originally written for. Maybe people feel like Kristin is just being Kristin and that she's already been recognized for that in the past?
Since people thought McMartin would take a political win, I'm glad he wasn't nominated, it was a nothing part anyway. Do you guys think Gallagher might be the favorite now?
Yay for the Journey's End love. I knew Dancy wouldn't get nominated, but still a little disappointed. But yay for Boyd and a surprise nod for Stark!
Yay for Julie White and Little Dog Laughed, nice to see a closed show get some of that recognition.
Yay for John Collum.
I agree with Bill T. Jones and SA--I personally think that choreography was a bit more for the name than for the actual choroegraphy.
HF's set nomination is well-deserved, but there's no way it's beating the astounding set of Mary Poppins.
I'm glad both Ehle and Plimpton were recognized for Utopia, and Hawke and Crudup as well.
I think it's a little more set that Utopia will take most of the play awards, but even with MP looming, I still think it will be the year for SA.
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#283
Posted: 5/15/07 at 2:42pm
Spring Awakening had SO MUCH depth to it if you actually looked past the surface of the show.
phsl - that is the very definition of "depth." Yes, the show has plenty of depth. Excuse me, the original play has plenty of depth. The show is trying to flaunt poetic lyrics that really are as paper thin as THE APPLE TREE sets.
GREY GARDENS, with or without Ebersole, has plent o' depth.
ETA: Even if SPRING AWAKENING has depth, it has very little emotion.
phsl - that is the very definition of "depth." Yes, the show has plenty of depth. Excuse me, the original play has plenty of depth. The show is trying to flaunt poetic lyrics that really are as paper thin as THE APPLE TREE sets.
GREY GARDENS, with or without Ebersole, has plent o' depth.
ETA: Even if SPRING AWAKENING has depth, it has very little emotion.
Updated On: 5/15/07 at 02:42 PM
#284
Posted: 5/15/07 at 2:44pm
I'm gonna go ahead and laugh at my mistake before. I said "Christine Ebersole? Really?" I meant "Charlotte D'Amboise? Really" I know the names are NOTHING alike but someone was talking to me about Christine Ebersole so my hands typed her instead. Yikes. I'm VERY happy about her nomination and I hope Christine wins. I'll edit that. Sorry!
I mean, Denzel Washington? Gun to my head..of course.
#285
Posted: 5/15/07 at 2:45pm
Foster, I find it impossible to take ANY of your prediction talk seriously after your blatant aversion to my saying that POPPINS would definitely get nominated and could definitely win. You swore, in the same factual, stick-up-your-ass manner, that there was no way that POPPINS would get nominated.
You're not credible as far as predictions go.
You're not credible as far as predictions go.
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#286
Posted: 5/15/07 at 2:46pm
WannaBe...you need to calm down.
I'm not spreading hatred. I enjoy the show. But, I find it to be structurally weak compared to GREY GARDENS.
I have a good time when I see it. But, that's it. Just a good time. It's nothing revolutionary. It TRIES to be. And it's obvious that it's trying. But there's a difference betweeen trying and succeeding.
I'm allowed to voice my opinion of it.
And who am I to say Melchior is supposed to be sly? Someone who's read the original text and who knows that the original character is, in fact, a rapist who knows exactly what he's doing and who does exactly that to Wendla. And I dislike the way Groff plays it.
Sorry. I'm entitled to my opinion. Not spreading hatred.
Spring Awakening had SO MUCH depth to it if you actually looked past the surface of the show. This may seem like a bit of a shock, but if you're not a complete moron and actually WATCH the show you will pick up on all of it.
pshlax...get over yourself. Your opinion isn't the be-all end-all of the theatre. Stating your opinion as undeniable fact, makes you the moron.
I'm not spreading hatred. I enjoy the show. But, I find it to be structurally weak compared to GREY GARDENS.
I have a good time when I see it. But, that's it. Just a good time. It's nothing revolutionary. It TRIES to be. And it's obvious that it's trying. But there's a difference betweeen trying and succeeding.
I'm allowed to voice my opinion of it.
And who am I to say Melchior is supposed to be sly? Someone who's read the original text and who knows that the original character is, in fact, a rapist who knows exactly what he's doing and who does exactly that to Wendla. And I dislike the way Groff plays it.
Sorry. I'm entitled to my opinion. Not spreading hatred.
Spring Awakening had SO MUCH depth to it if you actually looked past the surface of the show. This may seem like a bit of a shock, but if you're not a complete moron and actually WATCH the show you will pick up on all of it.
pshlax...get over yourself. Your opinion isn't the be-all end-all of the theatre. Stating your opinion as undeniable fact, makes you the moron.
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#287
Posted: 5/15/07 at 2:48pm
I agree. Foster is completely out of control.
Sit down, smoke a bowl, and disappear for a few hours.
Sit down, smoke a bowl, and disappear for a few hours.
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#288
Posted: 5/15/07 at 2:49pm
Actr, I agree with all you've said about "Grey Gardens". It's helped me understand why I didn't love it more when I saw it last Saturday night. I felt that most of Act I was pretty "fluffy" and didn't need to be there; the really interesting stuff started happening after "Big Edie" had her little talk with Joe Kennedy Jr. I admired Erin Davie for her skills as a performer, but I really didn't see how the Little Edie of Act II could have been the young woman in Act I. I didn't even see much of a physical resemblance between Davie and Ebersole. And their voices seemed completely different. Did the real Little Edie actually speak like a society debutante in her early years and then develop a Lawng Eyesland accent later on? It seems odd.
I did think that Ebersole and Mary Louise Wilson were wonderful. And Erin Davie can clearly sing and dance and act; I just wish that there had been more continuity between the young & older Little Edies. Maybe if I saw it again I would find more of that.
Re: Spring Awakening: I haven't seen it, but my 15-year-old son did and while he liked it initially, he told me that after he listened to the songs again at home a few times, he started to realize that they "weren't that great." Of course, he may not be a typical teenager as he is a huge Sondheim fan and has seen a lot of musicals, so he has some basis for comparison. He also will be shocked, shocked! when he finds out that Groff got a nomination. He was very lukewarm on his performance. (I realize that's just the opinion of one 15-year-old boy, but I figure he is pretty much their target audience, so I thought I'd mention it!)
I did think that Ebersole and Mary Louise Wilson were wonderful. And Erin Davie can clearly sing and dance and act; I just wish that there had been more continuity between the young & older Little Edies. Maybe if I saw it again I would find more of that.
Re: Spring Awakening: I haven't seen it, but my 15-year-old son did and while he liked it initially, he told me that after he listened to the songs again at home a few times, he started to realize that they "weren't that great." Of course, he may not be a typical teenager as he is a huge Sondheim fan and has seen a lot of musicals, so he has some basis for comparison. He also will be shocked, shocked! when he finds out that Groff got a nomination. He was very lukewarm on his performance. (I realize that's just the opinion of one 15-year-old boy, but I figure he is pretty much their target audience, so I thought I'd mention it!)
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#289
Posted: 5/15/07 at 2:59pm
Poppins getting a Best Musical Nod, Legally Blonde getting a Best Score Nod and John McMartin not getting a Featured Actor Nod... What a shame.
And Hal Prince not getting nominated for LoveMusik...A TRAVESTY! I don't care if it was confusing. I don't care if it wss a tad boring. He's Hal Prince for christsakes!
And Hal Prince not getting nominated for LoveMusik...A TRAVESTY! I don't care if it was confusing. I don't care if it wss a tad boring. He's Hal Prince for christsakes!
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#290
Posted: 5/15/07 at 3:00pm
FOA you've got class!
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#291
Posted: 5/15/07 at 3:01pm
Thank you, dear.
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#292
Posted: 5/15/07 at 3:08pm
I'm finally getting over some of the snubs, etc.
BUT I still can't get over MARY POPPINS over LOVEMUSIK. I know it's Disney and all, and Disney is money.
BUT hopefully Grey Gardens or Spring Awakening (preferably Gardens) will pull a Passion over BATB. Which I think will happen.
BUT I still can't get over MARY POPPINS over LOVEMUSIK. I know it's Disney and all, and Disney is money.
BUT hopefully Grey Gardens or Spring Awakening (preferably Gardens) will pull a Passion over BATB. Which I think will happen.
#293
Posted: 5/15/07 at 3:14pm
"Spring Awakening had SO MUCH depth to it if you actually looked past the surface of the show. This may seem like a bit of a shock, but if you're not a complete moron and actually WATCH the show you will pick up on all of it."
"Spring Awakening is an absolutely amazing show. If it were "amateurish" than it would not be receiving all the recognition that it is getting. If you didn't get any deep meaning out of it then you failed to propery engage yourself with what was happening in the show. I've seen it three times and each one has literally been a life changing experience."
phslaxmidi10-- Really? LITERALLY? What in your life has literally changed after each of your three viewings? And, honestly, you couldn't sound like a bigger jackass on these boards. I don't care that it's your opinion and you're entitled to it. You are not entitled to belittle everyone for not "engaging" as deeply as you are capable of.
Get over yourself and find a better way to express yourself because your current method is not working.
"Spring Awakening is an absolutely amazing show. If it were "amateurish" than it would not be receiving all the recognition that it is getting. If you didn't get any deep meaning out of it then you failed to propery engage yourself with what was happening in the show. I've seen it three times and each one has literally been a life changing experience."
phslaxmidi10-- Really? LITERALLY? What in your life has literally changed after each of your three viewings? And, honestly, you couldn't sound like a bigger jackass on these boards. I don't care that it's your opinion and you're entitled to it. You are not entitled to belittle everyone for not "engaging" as deeply as you are capable of.
Get over yourself and find a better way to express yourself because your current method is not working.
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#294
Posted: 5/15/07 at 3:22pm
As someone who has only seen Maureen Moore in Grey Gardens I think it has a great deal of merit outside of Christine Ebersole and Mary Louise Wilson (who was great as well), and it is reflected in the nominations and I am happy that it got some well deserved nods. I'm sure Christine is wonderful, but for those who think that GG simply cannot survive without her I wonder if you have seen Moore in the role. If you have that's a different story, but if you haven't then to say that the entire show hinges on Christine's performance doesn't make any sense as you have no objectivity in the matter.
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#295
Posted: 5/15/07 at 3:24pm
Apart from Lea Michele's snub, I'm really happy about how the nominations turned out this year. Hey, Gavin got a nom. I knew he would.
ljay, are you frigging nuts? Of course, Spring Awakening or Grey Gardens will trump Mary Poppins.
ljay, are you frigging nuts? Of course, Spring Awakening or Grey Gardens will trump Mary Poppins.
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#296
Posted: 5/15/07 at 3:26pm
what is wrong with thin sets when they work? spring awakenings set works perfectly and if it were any more complex it would distract from the show. complexity does not matter only if it is effective.
#297
Posted: 5/15/07 at 3:27pm
Lea Michelle's snub?
You can hardly call that a snub.
You can hardly call that a snub.
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#298
Posted: 5/15/07 at 3:37pm
As for Les Miserables, it seems like it was not deemed a true revival, since it was only brought back for a celebration and was not off Broadway long enough.
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#299
Posted: 5/15/07 at 3:40pm
Actually, perhaps before you come in here and run your mouth like an ill-informed 5th grader, you should ACTUALLY know what you're talking about.
-MARY POPPINS is eligible for best book ANd best score.
And the fact that it came from London has absolutely NOTHING to do with the Tony Awards.
go away.
-MARY POPPINS is eligible for best book ANd best score.
And the fact that it came from London has absolutely NOTHING to do with the Tony Awards.
go away.
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#300
Posted: 5/15/07 at 3:43pm
I love Laura, but I'm really disappionted that she got Kristin's spot.
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