We're not allowed to talk about Ben in Marc's shows? — Page 2

theaterguy11 said: "LYLS3637 said: "Because it's not true. Neither MORMON nor EVAN HANSEN are produced by Marc Platt.

Facts matter.





Facts do matter. And it's a fact that BoM was produced by Scott Rudin, another powerful Hollywood producer who works with Marc Platt. Rudin was seated directly behind the Platt family row at this year's Tony Awards and you could visibly see Scott and Marc frequently chatting.



It's also a fact that in their short, not cut off Tony acceptance speech, Pasek and Paul found time to heap thanks upon Marc Platt who is not billed on the poster or playbill of their production. I wonder why he was one of the few people thanked, yet is somehow unbilled. I wonder why? "



Marc Platt produced La La Land, the project Pasek and Paul got their Oscar for. So clearly they've established some sort of relationship with him due to that. Making up some sort of conspiracy theory about how he's an unbilled producer for DEH is nonsense. And of course Marc and Scott chatted during the Tony Awards, they're both Hollywood producers who know each other. I'm sure Marc is familiar with lots of other producers in the industry and would have chatted with them had they been seating behind him and his family. You're reaching quite a bit.

Also, I'd have more of a problem regarding Ben's family connections if he was quiet about it but it's something that he has been open about and has admitted that he has gotten more doors open for him than a normal kid probably would. He's not the last person in the industry to have family connections, and if you find that uncomfortable then go ahead, it's another thing to just completely make up things to suit your argument.

Updated On: 6/27/17 at 04:34 PM

Having famous parents does help bring attention but to paraphrase the multi-award winning Liza Minnelli: when that door that was opened because of your famous family closes behind you its you there all alone and if you're not up to snuff those same doors your famous family name opened for you will close even harder.

Yes, Ben had opportunities due to his father but the acclaim he is receiving (along with his fully deserved Tony Award) comes from his work. The unanimous praising is solely on his work in DEAR EVAN HANSEN. If he, let's say, had been given the role because his father "bought" it for him and he was simply horrible or mediocre in the role, THEN we have an argument.

BrodyFosse123 said: "Having famous parents does help bring attention but to paraphrase the multi-award winning Liza Minnelli: when that door that was opened because of your famous family closes behind you its you there all alone and if you're not up to snuff those same doors your famous family name opened for you will close even harder.

Yes, Ben had opportunities due to his father but the acclaim he is receiving (along with his fully deserved Tony Award) comes from his work. The unanimous praising is solely on his work in DEAR EVAN HANSEN. If he, let's say, had been given the role because his father "bought" it for him and he was simply horrible or mediocre in the role, THEN we have an argument.



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I found him mediocre to horrible in the role- which is why I feel I have an argument, to use your words. Obviously that's a minority opinion on this board.

Updated On: 6/27/17 at 04:40 PM

theaterguy11 said: "
Because you aren't discussing art, you're gossiping.



I find this bit of art perplexing. The masses seem to enjoy it, yet I find it bland and unsightly. Therefore I am speculating as to how the art came to be produced with this particular artist. That leads to the discussion of PR agents and how to manipulate public perception. All of that should be fair game on a Broadway message board.

I loved DEH. Like people on here have said, Marc Platt had nothing to do with DEH. You just seem like a raging lunatic. You have no facts to back anything up. You're just making **** up.

Between South FL's terrorist threats, Lin Manuel Miranda's apparent "acid farts," the raging white supremacists, Patti M*rin, After Eight, the Sunset Blvd obsessed, and the Hansen haters this board is a f^cking mess.

Right. Ben Platt is an untalented schlub who has no business being cast in any Broadway musical, especially those with no connection to his father. Ben Platt as Evan Hansen? What incredible miscasting.

RaisedOnMusicals said: "Right. Ben Platt is an untalented schlub who has no business being cast in any Broadway musical, especially those with no connection to his father. Ben Platt as Evan Hansen? What incredible miscasting.



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You nailed it. **INCREDIBLE** miscasting.

Tag said: "Marc Platt produces Wicked, and Jonah Platt was in it, so there's that.

And there's no doubt, Ben wouldn't be where he is today without his father being who he is. Sure Ben is talented, but talent doesn't always get you in the door...

Exactly.

That thread wasn't mean-spirited in anyway and seemed like a genuine discussion. Sigh. And just because you're a product of nepotism doesn't mean you're not or can't be talented. Think of all the talented people in the world whose fathers aren't big time producers and probably will never be noticed.



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I found him mediocre to horrible in the role- which is why I feel I have an argument, to use your words. Obviously that's a minority opinion on this board.



It's a minority opinion on planet Earth



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"That thread wasn't mean-spirited in anyway and seemed like a genuine discussion. "

I don't know, dude. A particular poster called Dear Evan Hansen a "scheme" to get Marc Platt's son attention. That's fairly bizarre and somewhat mean spirited. I don't see why the thread needed to be deleted but a poster or two was going a bit too far.

HogansHero said: "as I said before it was deleted, post hoc ergo propter hoc.

and Marc Platt produced La la land.Â

post hoc ergo propter hoc.

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and conspiracy theories violate TOS.



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Ok well without posting theories, why do people think Pasek and Paul used their brief, not cut off Tony acceptance speech, which was great btw, to thank Marc Platt. There's only so much time and many people to thank. Why did they feel Marc Platt was important enough for that spot? That isn't worthy of being discussed on a message board? What is ?

theaterguy11 said: "
Ok well without posting theories, why do people think Pasek and Paul used their brief, not cut off Tony acceptance speech, which was great btw, to thank Marc Platt. There's only so much time and many people to thank. Why did they feel Marc Platt was important enough for that spot? That isn't worthy of being discussed on a message board? What is ?"



Why don't you write Pasek and Paul and ask them?

Marc Platt produced LaLa Land for which Pasek and Paul won an Oscar. With their Tony win and I think they already have a Grammy (if not they will win for LaLa Land or DEH cast recording) voila they are 75% of their way to an EGOT. Marc Platt deserves to be thanked. They even beat Lin Manuel for the Oscar so he can complete his own EGOT!!!

ggersten said: "theaterguy11 said: "
Ok well without posting theories, why do people think Pasek and Paul used their brief, not cut off Tony acceptance speech, which was great btw, to thank Marc Platt. There's only so much time and many people to thank. Why did they feel Marc Platt was important enough for that spot? That isn't worthy of being discussed on a message board? What is ?"



Why don't you write Pasek and Paul and ask them?





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I should! I certainly think it's odd that the NYT, Playbill, BWW reporters who interviewed them after their win haven't asked Marc Platt's involvement with DEH. Maybe they weren't allowed?