What would have made Frozen Better — Page 2

I had heard Timbers' vision was characteristically huge and visionary, with immersive elements, but with a price tag that made Disney balk.

Frankly, even had Disney given Timbers a blank check, I think Frozen itself is sort of an inert property. Timbers would've distracted from the flaws, certainly. But at the end of the day, Frozen is Frozen.

RippedMan said: "Honestly, the actresses ages didn’t bother me? Do they specify in the show their ages?"

Not specifically, but the plot is that Elsa has come of age and is being formally coronated, which I assume is not happening at age 40. And we know that Anna is younger. Assuming that Elsa's coronation is happening at age 18 or 21, I would consider them both older teenagers/young women. I don't think they needed to be played by actual teenagers, but Caissie Levy and Patti Murin are both 37.... and it stuck out to me. (FWIW, I say that as a fellow 37-year-old... I don't mean to be ageist, it's just about the right casting for the role.)

Kad said: "I had heard Timbers' vision was characteristically huge and visionary, with immersive elements, but with a price tag that made Disney balk.

Frankly, even had Disney given Timbers a blank check, I think Frozen itself is sort of an inert property. Timbers would've distracted from the flaws, certainly. But at the end of the day, Frozen is Frozen."


That would make sense, since the set designer with a long history with Disney (Bob Crowley) jumped ship, too.

There's nothing "ageist" about saying two women are 15 years too old for their parts. I'm an adult, I can't play Annie. Nothing wrong with that.

Also, Disney said once (forgot where/when, sorry) that Anna is 18 and Elsa is 21. The ages of the princesses has always been known, even if it wasn't confirmed in the dialogue of the movie/musical (for example, Snow White is 14, Ariel is 16, etc.). Elsa is dark and brooding, so she could be a little older, but Anna is cute and naïve, which is something a 38-year-old will have trouble playing no matter what. Murin is a talent and she would've been perfect for this 10 years ago. To me, it's as if Disney didn't want to take any chance with fresh faces (or an interesting director, for that matter) and went the easy way out. Which they've done before (Sierra Boggess), so I don't know why this time seemed different.

Tennis Fan said: "HAS LET IT GO's understated staging changed from its Denver tryout several months ago?? An out-of-towner wants to know!"

It has not.

They should have mined more from the melancholy elements of Elsa and Anna's relationship.

The movie's middle section is the weakest part of Frozen. After Let it Go which is phenomenal, the story becomes very meh until the climax and end which is great.

I think that's the biggest difference I see with Frozen next to every other Disney Broadway adaptation. Even the most mediocre adaptations the story was already SO strong. Frozen is flawed but there are so many charming elements in the animation, the flaws don't stand out as much.

When you take away gorgeous cgi and swirling exciting ice magic, the story's problems are more apparent.

Oh and the new songs. Disappointing. Really disappointing.

These songwriters are much much better than this, the new songs feel like a rush job.

Updated On: 5/9/18 at 03:25 AM

(Disclaimer: I haven't seen the Broadway show.)
Has there been discussion of the idea of having Olaf stay with Elsa during her exile? I was just thinking about it recently, as you do. Elsa deems herself too dangerous for human company and goes into exile, then creates a friendly, cheerful being who can never be harmed by her powers, and who just happens to symbolise Elsa's final moment of carefree social interaction from her childhood... it would make sense for him to stay with her as company, even if she doesn't consciously realise that that's why she created him. That would give Olaf more to do, and give Elsa a 'Mrs Lovett' character to lighten some of her scenes and prevent her from just statically brooding by herself. Olaf could sort of be the gargoyles to her Quasimodo... hopefully in a good way. Anna and Kristoff don't need him; they already have one another to bounce off as they search for Elsa. And IIRC, the film's original take on Olaf doesn't really bear close scrutiny: offscreen, Elsa creates Olaf without properly realising it at the time, and Olaf then wanders off at random... or something.

Olaf in movies is a star. Olaf on stage is a dud.

The show is good. A solid 7, Stop reading into it so much, you all sound like a bunch of Disgruntled employees or actors that didn't make the Frozen cut. For everyone else go see it youll like, trust me

stevie3 said: "The show is good. A solid7, Stop reading into it so much, you all sound like a bunch of Disgruntled employees or actors that didn't make the Frozen cut. For everyone else go see it youll like, trust me"

ENJOY FROZEN OR THERE IS A CONSPIRACY THEORY AS TO WHY YOU DON'T!!!!!

(I have not seen the show)

It seems a big element a lot of people are balking at is age of the casting of Anna and Elsa.

Murin and Levy are both 37, but I heard some throwing out Betsy Wolfe, and she is 36 herself.

I want to know who would be age-appropriate and still be able to deliver the goods that this show requires.