BAD CINDERELLA to close on June 4- Page 12

[songanddanceman2]

Posted: 2/19/23 at 12:00pm

I'm sure him berating his London cast, and not letting replacement casts know that the show would close etc was just taken out of context as well.

 

[rattleNwoolypenguin]

Posted: 2/19/23 at 12:25pm

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Updated On: 2/19/23 at 12:25 PM

[Sutton Ross]

Posted: 2/19/23 at 12:32pm

Good thing no one is forcing you to see it. Updated On: 2/19/23 at 12:32 PM

[ErmengardeStopSniveling]

Posted: 2/19/23 at 12:36pm

For those interested in orchestration, per PlaybillVault it's 17 + conductor (as previously reported by castmembers) ––

Conductor
3 Keyboards
3 Violin (one doubling Viola)
1 Viola
1 Cello
3 Reeds
2 Horns
1 Trumpet (no trombone)
1 Percussion/Drums
1 Guitar
1 Bass Updated On: 2/19/23 at 12:36 PM

[BETTY22]

Posted: 2/19/23 at 12:37pm

I saw the show in London but I'm going to wait few weeks before seeing it in NYC.

I hope they have made a lot of changes. 

[CATSNYrevival]

Posted: 2/19/23 at 1:00pm

defenses said: "Wait… I thought the stepmother was overtly implying the Queen used to be a prostitute. She mentioned seeing her at an inn and later sings “so many men!” I don’t think she said it outright because the reason why why stepmother knew her was because she was one as well."

That’s what I assumed too. They never say what the blackmail is but it seems to be implied both women have past indiscretions with men. There’s little these writers could actually divulge that would be remotely shocking to us anyway so I don’t think it’s necessary we know the details but that’s just me.

[BarnabyTucker]

Posted: 2/19/23 at 1:21pm

Here is my pitch for how a few loose threads could have been pulled together:

We establish in the beginning that everyone in the kingdom is naturally beautiful. We keep the line how the Queen is so beautiful that we don't even know how old she is. (I know on the West End everyone went to see Godmother for plastic surgery but here we drop that.)

We have the Queen/Stepmother scene where they're trading quips and, at the end of the number, the Stepmother whispers something in the Queen's ear. The Queen is shocked someone knows her most embarrassing secret and so she is willing to pair her son off with one of the Stepmother's daughters in exchange for the Stepmother's silence.

Fast forward to Cinderella having her "I want to go to the ball moment" and she's whisked away to the enchanted crystal shop/plastic surgery clinic. We're introduced to Godmother who is a trickster fairy type who likes to play off of human passions. Godmother gives her the makeover and says that the "first round" is only temporary and all the work she did will be undone at midnight.

Fast forward to act two.

We have Prince Charming's wedding reception as it currently is. Stepmother holds the "big secret" over the Queen's head and the Queen can't take being held hostage by Stepmother anymore, and so she reveal's the secret: that she's had extensive plastic surgery at the hands of Godmother.

Well it turns out this isn't so shameful a secret because all of the other townspeople start popping off about how they've also seen Godmother and have had work done. It turns out Godmother has secretly had a hold on all of the townspeople who were trading away their worldly goods for more touch up work.

The Queen is relieved and--with the Stepmother not having anything to hold over the Queen anymore--she banishes the Stepmother from the kingdom.

Cut to the Prince in the woods bumping into Godmother who is leaving the kingdom in search of her next kingdom, because there's no more fun to be had now that the jig is up. As an afterthought, and wanting to continue stirring the pot, Godmother gives Prince the necklace.

Just some light edits that could make a BIG difference because now we've actually given the Godmother some character, added some much needed conflict, AND have explained why the Queen fears the Stepmother so much. It would also play up the whole "keeping up with beauty standards is exhausting and unfulfilling" theme that runs through the show.

[sherie_worshipper]

Posted: 2/19/23 at 9:06pm

BarnabyTucker said: "Here is my pitch for how a few loose threads could have been pulled together:

We establish in the beginning that everyone in the kingdom is naturally beautiful. We keep the line how the Queen is so beautiful that we don't even know how old she is. (I know on the West End everyone went to see Godmother for plastic surgery but here we drop that.)

We have the Queen/Stepmother scene where they're trading quips and, at the end of the number, the Stepmother whispers something in the Queen's ear. The Queen is shocked someone knows her most embarrassing secret and so she is willing to pair her son off with one of the Stepmother's daughters in exchange for the Stepmother's silence.

Fast forward to Cinderella having her "I want to go to the ball moment" and she's whisked away to the enchanted crystal shop/plastic surgery clinic. We're introduced to Godmother who is a trickster fairy type who likes to play off of human passions. Godmother gives her the makeover and says that the "first round" is only temporary and all the work she did will be undone at midnight.

Fast forward to act two.

We have Prince Charming's wedding reception as it currently is. Stepmother holds the "big secret" over the Queen's head and the Queen can't take being held hostage by Stepmother anymore, and so she reveal's the secret: that she's had extensive plastic surgery at the hands of Godmother.

Well it turns out this isn't so shameful a secret because all of the other townspeople start popping off about how they've also seen Godmother and have had work done. It turns out Godmother has secretly had a hold on all of the townspeople who were trading away their worldly goods for more touch up work.

The Queen is relieved and--with the Stepmother not having anything to hold over the Queen anymore--she banishes the Stepmother from the kingdom.

Cut to the Prince in the woods bumping into Godmother who is leaving the kingdom in search of her next kingdom, because there's no more fun to be had now that the jig is up. As an afterthought, and wanting to continue stirring the pot, Godmother gives Prince the necklace.

Just some light edits that could make a BIG difference because now we've actually given the Godmother some character, added some much needed conflict, AND have explained why the Queen fears the Stepmother so much. It would also play up the whole "keeping up with beauty standards is exhausting and unfulfilling" theme that runs through the show.

Brilliant! I hope people from RUG read this and hire you.

[Ricey2]

Posted: 2/19/23 at 9:44pm

I do think that people are being viciously condescending and overtly rude about this show. Even though I called it ridiculous in my earlier comment, that doesn’t mean it was bad and unredeemable. The marketing of this has been flawless. So fun. 
 

It leaned into the camp, but trying to be camp can make things no longer camp because camp has to come naturally. I think it leaned too far into camp that it wasn’t camp, but by failing to be camp… it became camp again. That’s what makes it ridiculous. 
 

My problem with this show is that the second act is SO full of ballads and bad ones at that. “Far Too Late” screeched the whole show to a standstill and it really fails to recover from that moment on. I truly wish that they would just scrap it because it was a horrible song and unneeded as she has already sang her love song prior in the show. 
 

I really did love a LOT about the show. Carolee and Grace killed it. The step sisters were annoying, but oh so fun. Their song is my favorite from the whole show. 

Updated On: 2/19/23 at 09:44 PM

[CATSNYrevival]

Posted: 2/19/23 at 10:09pm

I’m still curious to see the full song list from the playbill if anyone is able. Please and thank you.

[nativenewyorker2]

Posted: 2/19/23 at 10:12pm

Question for those that have seen both versions:

when listening to the soundtrack on YouTube there was song about killing a sea witch. I don’t remember that on Friday. Was it cut/changed for Broadway?

[CATSNYrevival]

Posted: 2/19/23 at 10:16pm

That song was cut in the West End too. It’s only on the album.

[RippedMan]

Posted: 2/19/23 at 10:19pm

Is there anything interesting about the staging/design? Just a revolve that's it?

[nativenewyorker2]

Posted: 2/20/23 at 9:00am

They should add another scene where she does something “bad”. Maybe steal the queens jewelry with the prince or something.

right now the only thing making her bad is the graffiti and the characters repeating her name 100000 Times

[lukeworsham]

Posted: 2/20/23 at 2:08pm

I could be asking a question that's already been answered, but is the orchestration different than London? "Bad Cinerella" sounded the same in both the CHF and new recordings, but "I Know I Have a Heart" was much different in the new version.

[akhoya87]

Posted: 2/20/23 at 2:12pm

CATSNYrevival said: "I’m still curious to see the full song list from the playbill if anyone is able. Please and thank you."

EDIT:  Embeds aren't playing nicely, so Page 1, Page 2.

Updated On: 2/20/23 at 02:12 PM

[hearthemsing22]

Posted: 2/20/23 at 4:03pm

It's funny because all of the negative things people are saying-without even seeing the show, I might add-are getting it a ton of attention. So. Good job

[pmensky]

Posted: 2/20/23 at 5:11pm

hearthemsing22 said: "It's funny because all of the negative things people are saying-without even seeing the show, I might add-are getting it a ton of attention. So. Good job"

If people who haven’t seen the show are making negative comments, it’s as a reaction to what people who’ve seen the show are sharing about their experience. If I said I ate at a specific restaurant and had explosive diarrhea later that evening, and people said, “That sounds awful, I’ll never eat there,” would you be saying, “You are all so negative, give it a chance, experience it for yourself!?” People can know they won’t like something without experiencing it. Word of mouth is how lots of tickets are sold, or not sold, in the theatre.

[WldKingdomHM]

Posted: 2/20/23 at 5:19pm

and there is no word of mouth how AMAZING this show is...LOL. I can't wait until Thursday. I need a good laugh. 

Updated On: 2/20/23 at 05:19 PM

[chernjam]

Posted: 2/20/23 at 5:21pm

pmensky said: " If people who haven’t seen the show are making negative comments, it’s as a reaction to what people who’ve seen the show are sharing about their experience. If I said I ate at a specific restaurant and had explosive diarrhea later that evening, and people said, “That sounds awful, I’ll never eat there,” would you be saying, “You are all so negative, give it a chance, experience it for yourself!?” People can know they won’t like something without experiencing it. Word of mouth is how lots of tickets are sold, or not sold, in the theatre."

Except we're talking about a purely subjective thing like ones preference, reaction, response to arts.  And some being completely closed minded and continuing to regurgitate a few negative opinions...   not something like food poisoning 

 

[GiantsInTheSky2]

Posted: 2/20/23 at 5:27pm

“All Press Is Good Press” is not a mentality I would subscribe to in this business.

Sure, you could say the sh*t taking brings it attention. That doesn’t automatically translate to ticket sales. There needs to be actually incentive to either hate-watch or actually enjoy watching. 

chernjam, a lot of people on these boards share their reviews enough that other posters can trust whether they themselves will actually like it or not. 

[Sutton Ross]

Posted: 2/20/23 at 6:02pm

I agree. And honestly ticket prices are so expensive very few will "hate watch" this show. That's for, like, Smash. 

[Dollypop]

Posted: 2/20/23 at 7:48pm

nativenewyorker2 said: "Question for those that have seen both versions:

when listening to the soundtrack on YouTube there was song about killing a sea witch. I don’t remember that on Friday. Was it cut/changed for Broadway?"

What's a "soundtrack"?

[Matt Rogers]

Posted: 2/21/23 at 11:10pm

I saw it tonight. Honestly, I have no idea what many of you people are talking about with all the hate. I freaking loved every minute of it. 
 

Granted, I have seen some terrible shows lately such as Cornelia Street, The Seagull/Woodstock, and a few others, but this felt like a breath of fresh air. 

The costumes are fun, the sets are not nearly as bad as some of you claimed, and the music is very solid. Lots of funny jokes in the book as well. A bit ballad heavy in Act Two but fine, whatever. 
 

I read all of your awful reviews before I saw it so I was expecting a piece of garbage. It is exactly the opposite. 
 

So much fun. Also, I would venture to say that this is the gayest show in New York right now. Between all the constant shirtless hunks and the campy content, it might as well have been written by Charles Busch. 

I highly recommend this to anyone who is not a humorless snob. 

[binau]

Posted: 2/22/23 at 3:43am

I have to agree with you Matt, at least based on the London production - yes it doesn't always make sense, yes it can be a bit cringe at time, the music isn't the best but by ALW standards it's not the most terrible thing ever (outside the standout Norma songs in Sunset I'd much prefer Cinderella than hearing those juvenile melodies again), and maybe after THE GOODBYE GIRL I had greater expectations for the lyrics. However, the show is a quirky fun comedy and I think it mostly succeeds in that regard. I personally temper my expectations depending on the context of the show. Is anyone walking into Cinderella expecting PARADE or KIMBERLY AKIMBO?