Karen Olivo not returning to MOULIN ROUGE! — Page 6

ctorres23 said: "This is off-topic but on my mind as both this and the JLP thread are popping right now. Is Karen Olivo non-binary? They have "they" listed as their pronoun, and I've seen it used all over the place when they refer to them (the last "they" in this sentence references the collective authors using the pronoun, not Olivo)

Can someone clarify this? Like if an article referred to "non-binary actor Karen Olivo" would that be accurate?"

On Karen's Twitter and Instagram profiles, she states that she uses "she" and "they" pronouns. Pronouns don't necessary equal gender identity, though, and I've never seen a direct statement about it.

neat

leefowler said: "Over 100 posts in, and I still feel I need to ask the question: what is it that Karen wantsto happen, exactly?"

Try re-reading the 100 posts then. Several posters, including myself, have devoted multiple posts to trying to answer your question. Let us know if there are specific things about those posts that you feel need clearing up, or as the case may be, disagree with.

Woke nonsense.

Related reading: https://www.washingtonpost.com/lifestyle/cancel-culture-background-black-culture-white-grievance/2021/04/01/2e42e4fe-8b24-11eb-aff6-4f720ca2d479_story.html

Anyway, I know theatre people can be ridiculous, but the number of people who felt the need to weigh in on matters that are easier to discuss rather than the problem at hand is self-parody at this point.

Yeah, I'm linking to All That Chat for a post I also consider required reading. Don't worry, it's short.

https://www.talkinbroadway.com/allthatchat_new/d.php?id=2509552

Not to change the subject, a trivial, somewhat off-topic question: Does anyone know if Lincoln Center Library's Theatre on Film and Tape collection recorded the show with Karen?

Updated On: 4/16/21 at 03:44 PM

BWAY Baby2 said: "Woke nonsense."

Okay Republican

Two interviews:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9Twx4M07JEE&ab_channel=FOX5NewYork

https://www.americantheatre.org/2021/04/17/karen-olivo-leading-by-leaving/

I don't think whatever his reaction was going to be was directly contingent on her returning or not. Especially if you read the American Theatre interview.

BrodyFosse123 said: "Scott Rudin has owned up to his bull**** and is stepping down from all of his Broadway projects.

Hopefully Karen didn’t pack up her stuff from her dressing room.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/entertainment/theater_dance/scott-rudin-broadway-producer-abuse-allegations/2021/04/17/f3d0ba88-9f0c-11eb-9d05-ae06f4529ece_story.html"

Scott Rudin is by far not the only person in the theatre industry who match his toxic behavior. Her statement was never truly just about Rudin.

Olivo wasn't terribly specific in her statement, but I never had the impression when watching that it was really about Scott Rudin. The lack of any response to the story on Rudin was the only specific thing she mentioned, an easy thing to call out that didn't happen.

That said, a question for everyone, because I don't know the answer:

If Karen Olivo stays quiet earlier this week, does Scott Rudin "step aside" today?

On one level, it's hard to imagine Olivo's announcement having that sort of immediate impact. She's not a household name, had no direct connection to Rudin or his shows, and wasn't joined by other Broadway stars. (The response here was dismissive by many, with several saying the Moulin Rouge producers were planning to get rid of her or just saying she just bailing to go back to her teaching job.)

But I can imagine her statement increasing pressure on Rudin not to screw up Broadway's high-stakes reopening. Rudin, for the all his seemingly fearsome power, is just one independent producer. The last thing other producers, landlords and New York officials would want is this sort of controversy shadowing what will already be a difficult reopening.

If it's the latter, Olivo may have had a bigger impact on Broadway with her statement than she did in any of her starring roles.

I admire Olivo for speaking out against abusive personalities in the industry but I don't think she herself moved the needle that much. It's probably the deep pockets funding Rudin's shows that decided they didn't want to be associated with such a radioactive personality.