ALW's Cinderella- Page 7

[jv92]

Posted: 7/19/21 at 11:56am

As one of those who softened on the old bloke last year, I will say that you’re right Hogan. I don’t think I lambasted you publicly, but I did think ALW’s cheerleading was earnest and real. 
 

Why close the whole f*cking thing over this? Unless sales weren’t good or there was bad word of mouth, and it didn’t seem that way… 

[HogansHero]

Posted: 7/19/21 at 11:58am

interesting indeed. He's lost his mind. 

[Martijn-j]

Posted: 7/19/21 at 12:04pm

Carrie Hope Fletcher posted on Instagram that the show will open eventually, just not today. 

[Jordan Catalano]

Posted: 7/19/21 at 12:04pm

As far as sales go, I think one thing should be taken into consideration which is that the UK still hasn’t allowed many tourists in without having to quarantine so there are no tourist dollars coming in, which greatly impact a show like this. So it’s not exactly fair to say “he’s just mad because people aren’t buying tickets to it”, because it’s much more complicated than that.

[dramamama611]

Posted: 7/19/21 at 12:06pm

His message sounded awful whiney to me....but how awful for the cast and crew.

[uncageg]

Posted: 7/19/21 at 12:10pm

From the time it was announced that someone in the show tested positive and that they were doing rigorous testing I wondered why, after all of his rallying to open theater, they didn't require that everyone with the production be vaccinated.

I wonder if he will reverse his decision now that they just announced this morning that England is lifting all restrictions?

[Martijn-j]

Posted: 7/19/21 at 12:13pm

uncageg said: "...I wondered why, after all of his rallying to open theater, they didn't require that everyone with the production be vaccinated."

I'm sure that's against the law. 

 

[Jordan Catalano]

Posted: 7/19/21 at 12:13pm

If I’m not mistaken, not everyone in the UK is eligible yet. So there’s a lot of younger people who haven’t had a chance to be vaxxed.

And this is COMPLETELY different from the rules we have in place in America, for anyone confused and wondering what this means for Broadway. If they had the same rules in place there that we do, the show would still be going on.

[uncageg]

Posted: 7/19/21 at 12:25pm

Thanks Jordan, I do now remember seeing some people on BBC news say they were not eligible yet. I wonder how they are doing that as these people were adults? 

[Jordan Catalano]

Posted: 7/19/21 at 12:29pm

There are some younger adults in the ensemble, so it’s possible it was one of them or even one of the vaccinated adults who had a breakthrough case. It again, ALW said nobody else tested positive so that’s a good thing to remember, when looking at the effectiveness of vaccines and being around someone who tests positive.

[Dolly80]

Posted: 7/19/21 at 12:36pm

The truth is that a large number of the cast won’t have been eligible to be vaccinated until very recently- in the last few weeks for some. And you are only fully protected when you’ve had both jabs (at least 8 weeks apart here in uK).

It’s just incredibly unfair that theatre is being so affected when sporting events seem to go ahead with huge crowds and no issues.

[blaxx]

Posted: 7/19/21 at 12:54pm

Jordan Catalano said: "If I’m not mistaken, not everyone in the UK is eligible yet. So there’s a lot of younger people who haven’t had a chance to be vaxxed.

And this is COMPLETELY different from the rules we have in place in America, for anyone confused and wondering what this means for Broadway. If they had the same rules in place there that we do, the show would still be going on. "

I really hope you're right. I'm starting to fear some Broadway shows will simply never reopen. 

I was excited to see Cinderella in London this fall too, this is sad.  

[nativenewyorker2]

Posted: 7/19/21 at 12:59pm

Im so confused…now the ticket page on the website is saying tickets will go back on sale the 21st

[Jordan Catalano]

Posted: 7/19/21 at 1:01pm

The website now says LW theatres will be in touch to “reschedule dates”.

[HogansHero]

Posted: 7/19/21 at 1:11pm

It is well to remember that this is the same person who announced Cinderella was opening notwithstanding it being unlawful, that, oh, no it wasn't even though the government created a path by which it could, etc etc etc. If you want to make sense of what's happened and is likely to happen, I recommend studying two things: Tory politics and mental illness. 

[sbflyfan]

Posted: 7/19/21 at 1:15pm

Lest we forget, this is typical for ALW. No show of his can open without some type of drama.

He’s blowing everything out of proportion on purpose.

Of course the show will resume performances and open, but for now, he got the headlines/reaction/attention he wanted.

[brdwybound04]

Posted: 7/19/21 at 1:26pm

ALW’s Cinderella has cancelled ALL future performances for the foreseeable future!!!

https://www.broadwayworld.com/article/Andrew-Lloyd-Webbers-CINDERELLA-Will-Not-Open-20210719

[saxpower]

Posted: 7/19/21 at 1:27pm

The whole thing is strange.   The comments on here from a few folks who saw it did not suggest it was likely to be such a flop it wasn't even worth opening.  Actually, while I know people are of different minds about ALW, I'd think an ALW show would have a decent advance simply because of him.  Being in the states I'm not sure what "blunt instrument that is the Government’s isolation guidance" refers to but I'm assuming the problem would have been known the moment someone tested positive-which should have caused the cancellation at that point.

A few possible theories:

         1.  ALW knows something we don't about soon-to-be announced restrictions which would make opening a waste of time. 

          2.  When the restrictions affected seating capacity for the previews, ALW pledged to personally absorb the losses caused by the reduced capacity, up until the time of the opening. Obviously, he's in a position to "absorb" plenty of losses, but in fairness to the man he should not be expected to do so indefinitely.  If he's aware its now going to be a while until the show can open maybe he felt a need to pull the plug? (or if you want to be less charitable towards him, he used the "up until opening" part of the pledge as an escape clause).

    Also, a question for our British friends.  There are references in the thread to ALW being a Tory and this being behind some of his actions with respect to the shutdown/restrictions.  My understanding of the term "Tory"  is that it refers to a member of the Conservative Party- but Boris Johnson is (by that definition) a Tory.  So why would ALW being a Tory be the reason behind his criticism of the policies of a Tory government?   (I'm hoping this does not turn into an ugly political debate.   Just looking for clarification of the terms). 

 

 

[A Director]

Posted: 7/19/21 at 2:05pm

ALW is a TWIT!  "My Cinderella" So, Andrew, does this mean that Emerald Fennell and David Zippel didn't contribute to the show?

[binau]

Posted: 7/19/21 at 4:40pm

"So why would ALW being a Tory be the reason behind his criticism of the policies of a Tory government? (I'm hoping this does not turn into an ugly political debate. Just looking for clarification of the terms). "

The general criticism is that a Tory/conservative would be more concerned with economic outcomes than health outcomes*, and that ALW's motivations about keeping theatres open with no social distancing in the middle of a pandemic reflect this. I see the slight contradiction because it is a Tory government that are making the decisions here but that's not the main point of the argument. 

* of course, the complexity and tragedy of the world in reality is that these outcomes are not completely orthogonal so you need to be careful about suppressing economic outcomes in capitalist societies - the choice is never as easy as some people make it sound

RE: Cinderella, the show had a poor advance but I don't know what it would have been like in 'normal' times. I am a bit shocked at the 'closure' but I am still confused if the show has actually closed for good or if ALW is just seeking attention...

[uncageg]

Posted: 7/19/21 at 4:45pm

Jordan Catalano said: "The website now says LW theatres will be in touch to “reschedule dates”."

The "Cinderella" website now has a countdown clock and says tickets go back on sale at 10:00 BST July 21st.

 

[MannPhan24601]

Posted: 7/19/21 at 4:57pm

binau said: ""So why would ALW being a Tory be the reason behind his criticism of the policies of a Tory government? (I'm hoping this does not turn into an ugly political debate. Just looking for clarification of the terms). "

The general criticism is that a Tory/conservative would be more concerned with economic outcomes than health outcomes*, and that ALW's motivations about keeping theatres open with no social distancing in the middle of a pandemic reflect this. I see the slight contradiction because it is a Tory government that are making the decisions here but that'snot the main point of the argument.

* of course, the complexity and tragedy of the world in reality is that these outcomes are not completely orthogonal so you need to be careful about suppressing economic outcomes in capitalist societies - the choice is never as easy as some people make it sound

RE: Cinderella, the show had a poor advance but I don't know what it would have been like in 'normal' times. I am a bit shocked at the 'closure' but I am still confused if the show has actually closed for good or if ALW is just seeking attention..."

ALW has had plenty of spats on Boris Johnson and Trump over the past few years . This show also has a progressive plotline with LGBT characters . I think ALW has changed his mind on things .. Plus, London is getting a black Christine for once ! 

[CATSNYrevival]

Posted: 7/19/21 at 8:48pm

I like what I've seen and heard so far. Regardless of whether the show is ultimately a hit or not, Covid will still be blamed for impeding any momentum the show may have had. That goes for pretty much every new show opening now and other shows attempting to start back up and rebuild an audience at this time.

[kdogg36]

Posted: 7/20/21 at 1:46pm

MannPhan24601 said: "This show also has a progressive plotline with LGBT characters . I think ALW has changed his mind on things ."

For what it's worth, ALW voted in favor of marriage equality when it came before the House of Lords about eight years ago.

[HogansHero]

Posted: 7/20/21 at 5:39pm

kdogg36 said: "MannPhan24601 said: "This show also has a progressive plotline with LGBT characters . I think ALW has changed his mind on things ."

For what it's worth, ALW voted in favor of marriage equality when it came before the House of Lords about eight years ago."

Let us not forget that one can be an economic conservation and still not favor heinous social policies. That does not redeem the evil of those economic policies.