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ALW's Cinderella
#125ALW's Cinderella
Posted: 7/15/21 at 10:21amI don’t mind the “Bad Cinderella” melody popping up here and there. I thought it was particularly effective in the act one finale.
#126ALW's Cinderella
Posted: 7/15/21 at 1:47pm
CATSNYrevival said: "I don’t mind the “Bad Cinderella” melody popping up here and there. I thought it was particularly effective in the act one finale."
If it only popped up in one or two places beyond it's original song, fine great perfect, exactly how the motif should be used to be effective.
But I apparently hate myself today so I went though and listened to a handful of the songs. Not all of them and not all the way through but skimmed things. Besides the song it's from we hear it in "So Long," "Unfair," (meaning at this point that it's in 3 of the first 5 songs in the show), then again in "The Village Square," "Beauty Has a Price," "The Ball," and "Cinderella's Soliloquy." There maybe more but again, not gonna listen back to everything again.
I could give it a pass it if kept itself to Cinderella's songs. It's HER melody after all, but it's about 3 songs more than it should be.
#127ALW's Cinderella
Posted: 7/15/21 at 1:56pm
I agree with you completely but to me it's just the thing you have to accept with ALW. It would be like asking why Lin-Manuel always has rap in his shows or why Sondheim has very wordy conversational lyrics. It's their style for better or worse (mostly worse in the case of ALW).
"You can't overrate Bernadette Peters. She is such a genius. There's a moment in "Too Many Mornings" and Bernadette doing 'I wore green the last time' - It's a voice that is just already given up - it is so sorrowful. Tragic. You can see from that moment the show is going to be headed into such dark territory and it hinges on this tiny throwaway moment of the voice." - Ben Brantley (2022)
"Bernadette's whole, stunning performance [as Rose in Gypsy] galvanized the actors capable of letting loose with her. Bernadette's Rose did take its rightful place, but too late, and unseen by too many who should have seen it" Arthur Laurents (2009)
"Sondheim's own favorite star performances? [Bernadette] Peters in ''Sunday in the Park,'' Lansbury in ''Sweeney Todd'' and ''obviously, Ethel was thrilling in 'Gypsy.'' Nytimes, 2000
Loopin’theloop
Leading Actor Joined: 1/9/18
#128ALW's Cinderella
Posted: 7/18/21 at 5:55pm
MagicalMusical said: "In the original fairy tale of Cinderella, whether it be the first European, Italian Giambattista Basile version, or the one we know most, which is the 1697 French Charles Perrault version with the invention of the glass slippers, or the 1812 German Brothers Grimm version, all of those are trying to say Cinderella at the ball is her true self, and that is what the Prince falls in true love with, and that when Cinderella becomes a princess that is where she actually wants to be. She actually likes pretty dresses and glass slippers, and in true fairy tale fashion, they aren't uncomfortable for her.
Anyway, I didn't like the story not just because of that "her peasant self is her true self" change, but because the story isn't much of a mindblowing new thing or something that really grabbed me or made me emotional. I have to admit it did touch me a little, but not enough to make me wanna listen to the whole CD again or make me not hate it overall.
And the Fairy Godmother has always been my favorite part, so I miss there being an actual magical fairy in this show. If you're going to still do fantasy, including making a whole, entire village beautiful somehow (seriously, that is impossible!), she doesn't have to be a good, saintly figure, but she should still be magical!"
I don’t think any of the early versions of the story explicitly say that. That can be your take, yes but that’s not necessarily the intended message
Theatre Fan3
Leading Actor Joined: 1/27/15
#129ALW's Cinderella
Posted: 7/18/21 at 6:04pm
Does anybody besides me get a "Martin Guerre" vibe when listening to "Marry For Love"?
#130ALW's Cinderella
Posted: 7/18/21 at 11:32pm
Theatre Fan3 said: "Does anybody besides me get a "Martin Guerre" vibe when listening to "Marry For Love"?"
Yes! I listened to the cast recording for the first time yesterday and there were multiple moments (mainly in the group numbers) where I got MAJOR "Martin Guerre" vibes from the music. Glad it was not just me!
#131ALW's Cinderella
Posted: 7/19/21 at 12:47am
Loopin’theloop said: "I don’t think any of the early versions of the story explicitly say that. That can be your take, yes but that’s not necessarily the intended message"
Well, I read in the annotated 1967 Perrault Cinderella that her ball/princess form is her in her natural state, and I heard from someone who does research that Cinderella's transformation is symbolic of her inner beauty coming to the outside. I don't know how those people figured out if it's the case or not, but even when I was a kid I got it - Cinderella's transformed self reflects who she truly is inside. I suppose I could be wrong, it's just, it seems so obvious to me. She actually wants to the transformation for herself, not just for a guy. Emerald Fennell changed that.
#132ALW's Cinderella
Posted: 7/19/21 at 1:01am
MagicalMusical said: "Loopin’theloop said: "I don’t think any of the early versions of the story explicitly say that. That can be your take, yes but that’s not necessarily the intended message"
Well, I read in the annotated 1967 Perrault Cinderella that her ball/princess form is her in her natural state, and I heard from someone who does research that Cinderella's transformation is symbolic of her inner beauty coming to the outside. I don't know how those people figured out if it's the case or not, but even when I was a kid I got it - Cinderella's transformed self reflects who she truly is inside. I suppose I could be wrong, it's just, it seems so obvious to me. She actually wants to the transformation for herself, not just for a guy. Emerald Fennell changed that."
This seems like such a huge stretch of the imagination. Like all the societal/political “themes” people made up to over-complicate The Wizard of Oz.
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A Director
Broadway Legend Joined: 12/18/07
#133ALW's Cinderella
Posted: 7/19/21 at 5:01am
The history of Cinderella, the story.
https://www.vox.com/2015/3/15/8214405/cinderella-fairy-tale-history
#134ALW's Cinderella
Posted: 7/19/21 at 11:07amIf I’m reading A statement from Andrew correctly, due to Covid restrictions, the show will not be opening.
"Y'all have a GRAND day now"
#135ALW's Cinderella
Posted: 7/19/21 at 11:09am
It looks like they're postponing the opening from this article:
https://www.whatsonstage.com/london-theatre/news/andrew-lloyd-webber-postpones-cinderella-opening_54528.html
"Anybody that goes to the theater, I think we’re all misfits, so we ended up on stage or in the audience.” --- Patti LuPone.
#136ALW's Cinderella
Posted: 7/19/21 at 11:11am
Andrew Lloyd Webber's statement reads as if the show is closing permanently... if that is not the case, then his wording was really not that great... I hope it's just a postponement!
"There’s nothing quite like the power and the passion of Broadway music. "
BroadwayRox3588
Broadway Legend Joined: 10/5/16
#137ALW's Cinderella
Posted: 7/19/21 at 11:18am
His statement certainly sounds like it's a permanent closure. But then again, he's been a complete drama queen for the past year, regarding everything involving Covid. So it's hard to really know what's going on.
#138ALW's Cinderella
Posted: 7/19/21 at 11:24amI didn’t even read it that way until you mentioned it above but yeah it’s not wondered very well. And how awful must that one cast member feel, who was the one tested positive.
#141ALW's Cinderella
Posted: 7/19/21 at 11:32am
It's a permanent closure - he references the "thousands of people who'd booked tickets."
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#142ALW's Cinderella
Posted: 7/19/21 at 11:35am
What was the word-of-mouth on this? Was it not received well? There's clearly more to the closure than just a few COVID cases.
A Chorus Line revival played its final Broadway performance on August 17, 2008. The tour played its final performance on August 21, 2011. A new non-equity tour started in October 2012 played its final performance on March 23, 2013. Another non-equity tour launched on January 20, 2018. The tour ended its US run in Kansas City and then toured throughout Japan August & September 2018.
BCfitasafiddle
Broadway Legend Joined: 1/25/20
#143ALW's Cinderella
Posted: 7/19/21 at 11:35am
It seems like it was going to resume performances though? So... did ALW make the ultimate decision to just stop?
#144ALW's Cinderella
Posted: 7/19/21 at 11:35amHe also did that the other day when just referring to two shows, i thought.
BroadwayRox3588
Broadway Legend Joined: 10/5/16
#145ALW's Cinderella
Posted: 7/19/21 at 11:36am
The entire global situation is seeming eerily similar to March 2020 right now.
#146ALW's Cinderella
Posted: 7/19/21 at 11:48am
BroadwayRox3588 said: "The entire global situation is seeming eerily similar to March 2020 right now."
No, it does not and for one reason— vaccines. We did not have them in March 2020. No one knew ANYTHING then. It truly was scary. Besides the vaccine, proof of vaccination will likely be required to see shows, as it will at PASS OVER next month. Please, please stop expressing such pessimism over and over again on a public forum, because I’m tired of the hand-holding.
There will be “breakthrough” mild cases among the vaccinated. We knew this. It sucks that that’s a reality— and that endemic covid is a reality. Things will be strange. March 2020 again? That seems unlikely, and to keep peddling that is not helpful, so stop.
I don’t get ALW’s showboating, drama queening, whatever this is. Sounds like this is a stunt. And stunts are counterproductive. I admired his enthusiasm all last year, but this is silly.
Get vaxxed. Take a pic of your card or get the NYS pass. Wear a mask if required or if you feel more comfortable that way. That’s all I think we can do.
#147ALW's Cinderella
Posted: 7/19/21 at 11:52am
I read this as another chapter in ALW's addle-brained Tory politics-motivated nonsense. Every calculation he has made has been wrong from the get-go, and this is no different. I know people have criticized me before for lambasting him, but now it appears that there is actual pathology revealing itself. This is not March 2020. Most of us are vaccinated.
#149ALW's Cinderella
Posted: 7/19/21 at 11:56am
I see what you mean. Sadly, you are quite right.
"Noel [Coward] and I were in Paris once. Adjoining rooms, of course. One night, I felt mischievous, so I knocked on Noel's door, and he asked, 'Who is it?' I lowered my voice and said 'Hotel detective. Have you got a gentleman in your room?' He answered, 'Just a minute, I'll ask him.'" (Beatrice Lillie)
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