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Colorblind casting refers to the process in which people of any color are in consideration for the same role and who ever is the best for the part is cast. It just means that the color of the actor does not matter.

Color conscious casting refers to the process in which only people of a certain color are in consideration in order to guarantee diversity within the production. This is the case with Hamilton. For example the role of Aaron Burr will always be played by a black man. The casting directors didn't just close their eyes and point. They purposefully chose the person based upon their talent and appearance.

Because the article I linked came from a conservative news source doesn't make it any less valid. The bottom line is this had nothing to do with the race of the actor being replaced.

Some people need to sit back and analyze the situation before they go off making unfounded accusations that in the long run wind up causing more harm then good.

In this case someone saw that the black actor was replaced with the white one and made it about race.

The truth of the matter is that it was never about race but about replacing an actor who wasn't generating ticket sales because of his lack of box office "pull" with one that did.

That is was turned into a racial issue is unfortunate.

But in this hypersensitive society we now live in - especially when it comes down to the color of our skin this is what happens. This is what we get - more unnecessary racial tension.

Updated On: 8/3/17 at 06:34 AM

People really need to look at the big picture before automatically labeling something as "racist". This show has a 43% POC cast, and the lead is an unknown black woman. I'm not saying that every situation can be labeled as this one can (usually, I'm on the side of those who decried the casting change), but this is just out of control. They should've made sure all the facts were in place before broadcasting their opinions to the world.

Updated On: 8/3/17 at 07:48 AM

^oh my goodness, I am so sorry, I didn't stop to think that it would be taken that way. I only meant to say that roles such as that were not always offered to minorities. I in no way believe that POC women are less beautiful than white women, but usually in theater, movies, etc. they are the ones being fawned over rather than POC women. I sincerely apologize if the words were taken any other way. All I meant was that I was happy that the role could go to a POC woman because it differs somewhat from what they get in other circumstances. Again, I am so, so, sorry.

Updated On: 8/3/17 at 11:57 AM

CarlosAlberto said: "Because the article I linked came from a conservative news source doesn't make it any less valid. The bottom line is this had nothing to do with the race of the actor being replaced.

Some people need to sit back and analyze the situation before they go off making unfounded accusations that in the long run wind up causing more harm then good.

In this case someone saw that the black actor was replaced with the white one and made it about race.

The truth of the matter is that it was never about race but about replacing an actor who wasn't generating ticket sales because of his lack of box office "pull" with one that did.

That is was turned into a racial issue is unfortunate.

But in this hypersensitive society we now live in - especially when it comes down to the color of our skin this is what happens. This is what we get - more unnecessary racial tension.






Exactly...Thank You!






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CorkySt.Clair said: "Honestly, how bad would it have been if they said right off the bat that they had money problems? I mean, it isn't great, but that sounds a heck of a lot better than their framing of it in the beginning."

It would have been VERY BAD! No one in business - whether it be a retail store, restaurant, or Broadway musical - ever does this unless you purposely want to fail. You never, ever let your potential patrons know that there is a problem financially because you risk losing their business. You always put a positive spin on everything, no matter how dire the situation may be. Now I'm not saying you lie about something (and these producers did not lie), you word things carefully and make every situation sound favorable.

^ Definitely, I mean looking vulnerable to potential patrons is never a good thing. I guess they should've just worded the original announcement better, and not made it sound like Mandy waltzed in and got the part (of course, this was later clarified a bit, it being noted that he'd expressed interest in the show for a long time). That original announcement is, of course, what started the whole firestorm, but then again being upfront about the financial problems would've seemed like a head-scratcher too. I can't seem to think of one way to handle this without complications (besides tweaking the marketing so it didn't need a name in the first place).

Lot666 said: "dramamama611 said: "Corky -- FWIW, I didnt think your statement sounded in any way that you implied that about POC."

Me either. I found that reaction rather a leap.



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Everyone is looking for something to get upset about

The Distinctive Baritone said: "There's no such thing as "the best person for the role." It's only who the director and producers want for whatever reason. The end.

And as I've said, nobody is "colorblind" when it comes to race, so it's a total misnomer. It's very much a dated term from the 80's and 90's when the idea that non-white people could play traditionally white roles was novel. "Color conscious" is a more accurate description of what it really is. ALL casting - not to mention all of our interactions with each other as different races and ethnicities - is "color conscious" on some level.

"Colorblind" is on the same level of BS as "I don't see race." We all see race. What you do about it is what matters."

First of all I was a casting director for many, many years and I can confirm that there such a thing as "the best person for the role." Do you seriously think that most actors on Broadway don't have to audition for their roles, even once they've won a Tony? They definitely do and they choose who they think is the best choice for the role.

As for color-blind casting, I agree that it's ridiculous for people to say that they don't see color. It's like they're ignoring a person's whole appearance. Color-blind casting and color conscious casting are two entirely different things. Color-blind casting is when people of all colors are taken into consideration for the role and color conscious casting is when only PoC are taken into consideration for the role. They're two very different things.

Dave28282 said: "Instead of being grateful about being treated as any other human being, we end up with this thankless hysteria. Which is a 1 way street. So if we can't be happy with being treated equal, as humans, where will it end? To differentiate yourself/your race in such a drastical way, without accepting to be treated as anyone else, will make producers in the future really think twice before hiring a black person. If they will not see themselves as human and behave as entitled, how the hell should others treat them? No one is more entitled than someone else."

JFC, are you seriously saying that black people should be grateful for being treated as human beings? And black performers do not "see themselves as human"? You need to seriously reconsider your words and your entire outlook. This is a disgusting comment.

belrowley said: "JFC, are you seriously saying that black people should be grateful for being treated as human beings? And black performers do not "see themselves as human"? You need to seriously reconsider your words and your entire outlook. This is a disgusting comment."

I'm saying that they, and every other person should be happy when being treated like equals/any other human being. That seems not to be the case here. So I'm wondering where this entitlement comes from.

Updated On: 8/4/17 at 05:15 AM

https://twitter.com/RafaelCasal/status/893221540891734017

Speaking of Bway4BLM, scroll down to where someone calls him out for liking one of their tweets.

Bottom line: money talks; all else walks. This was never black vs white. This was always green $ vs black AND white.